Reds Acquire Gabe White

[reds1990]

I agree with everything you said BRS.

I have been a vocal critic of the front office, but at least they see the bullpen problem and are trying to fix it. They said they had money to spend if they were competitive, and they at least made one move.

But, as much as I like this move, they still need at least one more reliever and a starter, so hopefully this is the first move of a trifecta

I sort of like this move, if only as an acknowledgement from the FO that there is a problem that needs to be addressed. I've been saying from day one that Miley needs to step up to the plate, as far as his authority will take him, and send guys out the door when they don't give their absolute best, or just can't do the job. It is no secret that part of the un-doing of the bullpen is the over-doing of the bullpen. They are cooked. I suspect their confidece is, too. How many games can you, where you are down by five runs before the third inning rolls around, before the whole system begins to crumble? It isn't realistic to expect the offense (not even on the Yankees, for Heaven's sakes) to put up 5+ runs every game, just to give the team a
chance. You can't keep running the bullpen out there in the 5th or 6th inning and expect it to miraculously pull a can of whoop-ass out of a magician's hat. Relief pitchers aren't conditioned for that, mentally or physically. At the rate they're going, why not just flip the whole dang pitching roster upside down and see how things work out? Maybe they'll get shelled after the first two or three innings, and Cory Lidle can come in and relieve for 6 innings or so. What the Reds really need to be doing is going after a #1 starter and a solid reliever, or get maybe two #2-3 pitcher. The bullpen will finally be able to run on a full tank.

[reds1990]

If it was this was a movie about baseball in the 30's and 40's then Gabe White is Bobo Newsom and the Reds are the Washington Senators.

BTW I tend to think that Gabe is a injury risk as well, hence the PTBD.

Since you think that Gabe is an injury risk, please point me to some place on the web where I can get a good breakdown of his career profile. Yahoo sports is always outdated with their stuff.

[KronoRed]

Ill calmly wait and see what White does in a Reds uni but for right now...

I'll be doing this as well, hopefully he picks up where he left off last year.

But 3 lefties in the pen? losing Manning but we got some cash??

The Reds REALLY could drive someone to drink

[LvJ]

A thing to note people: Just beacuse a pitcher is left handed, doesn't mean they can't get right handers out. We don't have three lefty specialists. We have 1 lefty specalist, and 2 left handed pitchers.

[RedsMan3203]

Only thing left to do is Grab Freddy Garcia, Randy Johnson and Eric Gange.

[Bill]

Manning hit his ceiling in AA. Only his BA is impressive.

The Reds had 3 lefties in the pen last year.

[reds1990]

Only thing left to do is Grab Freddy Garcia, Randy Johnson and Eric Gange.

They'll be cheaper after they retire

[Revering4Blue]

Yankees Trade White to Reds
BY THE NEW YORK TIMES

Published: June 19, 2004


OS ANGELES, June 18 — The sudden emergence of Bret Prinz in the Yankees' bullpen made the left-hander Gabe White expendable, and the Yankees traded White on Friday to the Cincinnati Reds for the minor league left-hander Charlie Manning.

The Yankees also included $700,000 in the deal. They will pay $200,000 more if the Reds decline White's 2005 option; if the Reds pick up the option, the Yankees will send them a minor leaguer.

White had an 8.27 earned run average in 24 appearances, and opponents have hit .355 against him. The move allows the Yankees to fit the left-hander Brad Halsey into their 40-man roster in time for Halsey's major league debut at Dodger Stadium on Saturday. General Manager Brian Cashman said the performance of Prinz, a right-hander, inspired the deal. Prinz has a 2.92 E.R.A. in 10 games.

"Prinz has done so well that despite being a right-hander, he's moved ahead of Gabe as someone we have confidence going out there for us," Cashman said. "The more Gabe struggled, the less opportunity he had to work out of it."

White, who came to the Yankees in a trade from Cincinnati last July 31, said he suffered from inactivity, but he said he did not blame Manager Joe Torre. "There's just limited work," White said.

[Raisor]

I've said it before, I'll say it again: Please, no more ex-Reds.

[RollyInRaleigh]

Wish it would have been Danny Graves instead of Charlie Manning.

[GAC]

So that is how many times now that White has been with the Reds?

[buckeyenut]

OK. White makes 1.925M this year. The season is 40% over so we will owe him about 1.2M of that, appx. We got 700K from NYY so the cost on White is about 500K for the rest of the season.

Since the 200K comes if we decline the option next year, my guess is that it is a 200K option. So, if White isn't good for us to ask him back, the cost is Charlie Manning. If he is good enough to ask him back, we get a PTBNL as well (which I don't understand because I would think we would have to give that up, but whatever)

The other thing to take into account here is the fact that 11 of the 18 runs White has allowed this year came in two outings. Part of the difficulty with a short sample size.

This to me seems like a fabulous deal. Somewhat of a risk, but a very calculated risk with little downside, especially for a team needing pen as badly as we do.

[redsfan30]

What a surprise, people are complaining.

1. The gripe all of you have had over the past month is that the FO should be burned for trading the bullpen from last year. If we had last year's bullpen we would be in first place. Well, they went out and got a guy and what are you doing? *****ing.

2. Norton and Matthews (Norton moreso) have been bad. The Reds had to do something to help this bullpen from the left side and they did. Everyone said they needed to go get someone to help and they did and what are you doing? *****ing.

3. People are saying that this team is just waiting to have a firesale and will do nothing to help the club stay in contention. We went out and got a proven lefty who has been great in Cincinnati twice before and didn't give up much in return. We are still rumored to be in discussions with other arms and what are you doing? *****ing.

We could go out and trade for Roger Clemens right now and you would complain that we gave up a Single A middle reliever who could have been good years from now.

The Reds did exactly what you were calling them out to do and you find any and every way to complain about it.

[redsfan30]

Obviously you can't say "*****" on Redszone anymore.

[Unassisted]

Wish it would have been Danny Graves instead of Charlie Manning.

Only way that happens is if the Reds send cash with Graves. Do you really want to send cash to the Yanks? :mhcky21: