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    Re: Get rid of Adam Dunn while is value is high

    Quote Originally Posted by Redsland
    That's a capital idea, WOY. Let me grab my top hat and walking stick and we can be off for the trolley.



    BULLY!!!

    After that let's talk reform... have you ever heard of Upton Sinclair?

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    Re: Get rid of Adam Dunn while is value is high

    I can't say that I have, but then it's difficult for me to find time to read, what with running the meat packing plant and hording my millions.

    Does he have anything of interest to say?
    Makes all the routine posts.

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    Re: Get rid of Adam Dunn while is value is high

    :MandJ: :MandJ: :MandJ:
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    Re: Get rid of Adam Dunn while is value is high

    Adam Dunn....takes up 2 parking spaces.

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    Re: Get rid of Adam Dunn while is value is high

    Adam Dunn.....borrow FeLo's soap and don't return it.

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    Re: Get rid of Adam Dunn while is value is high

    Not to take this thread off-topic or anything ( ) but Pujols has some crazy stats. I knew it before, but haven't looked at them in a while.

    28 HRs ... and 28 Ks.

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    Re: Get rid of Adam Dunn while is value is high

    As much as i hate the Cards and Pujols..............Adam Dunn doesn't even compare to Pujols. Sure his HR and OBP is similiar, but thats about it. You people keep thinking he is going to turn into Albert Pujols or something spectacular...........my thinking is that he has had 4 years of live action to develop, and frankly i havn't seen much difference in him between his 1st year and his 4th year, what makes you all think he is going to turn into the player that we all hoped he would be?

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    Re: Get rid of Adam Dunn while is value is high

    Quote Originally Posted by ifreelgood
    As much as i hate the Cards and Pujols..............Adam Dunn doesn't even compare to Pujols. Sure his HR and OBP is similiar, but thats about it. You people keep thinking he is going to turn into Albert Pujols or something spectacular...........my thinking is that he has had 4 years of live action to develop, and frankly i havn't seen much difference in him between his 1st year and his 4th year, what makes you all think he is going to turn into the player that we all hoped he would be?
    Again.

    What metrics and logic do you use for your player evaluation?

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    Re: Get rid of Adam Dunn while is value is high

    Ive given my argument why i feel that he won't get MUCH better. He has had 4 years at the major league level to develop, and his status hasn't changed much from the first year to the fourth year. If you would've read about him 4 years ago it would probably read something like this "Exceptional talent, with alot of power, has a good eye at the plate, and walks alot, but his downside is that he strikes out alot, and does not hit for average. If he can correct his downside, he will be a perrinial all-star year in and year out"-----well, 4 years later, we are still waiting for him to be the player that we think he SHOULD be. That my friend is called NO development. What does he do NOW that he didn't do 4 years ago???? How has he developed????? What makes you think he is going to develop????? Please answer these questions, i am interested to see what kind of argument that i hear.

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    Re: Get rid of Adam Dunn while is value is high

    unreal. by every reporting measure, Adam Dunn is in the top 10 in all of baseball for total offensive output. just how much better should he be?
    Suck it up cupcake.

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    Re: Get rid of Adam Dunn while is value is high

    Since 1970 only 5 players 25 and younger have had a .379 ob% and a .499 slg% (which is where Dunn stands today)

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    EXTRA BASE HITS                 EBH      OBA      SLG      AB        G     
    1    Ken Griffey Jr.             409     .379     .536     3440      917   
    2    Albert Pujols               259     .412     .613     1771      475   
    3    Manny Ramirez               247     .393     .546     1938      552   
    4    Will Clark                  245     .380     .524     2100      582   
    5    Frank Thomas                235     .441     .561     1872      531 
    6    Adam Dunn                   179     .379     .500     1496      438  
    
    HOMERUNS                        HR       OBA      SLG      AB        G     
    1    Ken Griffey Jr.             189     .379     .536     3440      917   
    2    Albert Pujols               114     .412     .613     1771      475   
    3    Manny Ramirez               109     .393     .546     1938      552   
    4    Frank Thomas                104     .441     .561     1872      531   
    5    Will Clark                   98     .380     .524     2100      582   
    6    Adam Dunn                    98     .379     .500     1496      438
    
    OPS                             OPS      OBA      SLG      AB        G     
    1    Albert Pujols             1.025     .412     .613     1771      475   
    2    Frank Thomas              1.002     .441     .561     1872      531   
    3    Manny Ramirez              .940     .393     .546     1938      552   
    4    Ken Griffey Jr.            .915     .379     .536     3440      917   
    5    Will Clark                 .905     .380     .524     2100      582  
    6    Adam Dunn                  .884     .379     .500     1496      438

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    Re: Get rid of Adam Dunn while is value is high

    Adam Dunn is too perfect for the GAB. He should retire a RED.

    The sooner you get him over to first base, the better.
    Rob Neyer: "Any writer who says he'd be a better manager than the worst manager is either 1) lying (i.e. 'using poetic license') or 2) patently delusional. Which isn't to say managers don't do stupid things that you or I wouldn't."

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    Re: Get rid of Adam Dunn while is value is high

    I guess .379/.499 under 25 isn't impressive enough.

    So I'll drop it to a even lower number .369 / .480 and keep it under 25, and to maybe it more interesting we'll make it from 1930 - 2003 From one great hittting era, through the war, hitting era, pitching, blend, now. These are Dunns Peers

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    AGE <= 25
    
    EXTRA BASE HITS                 EBH      OBA      SLG      AB        G     
    1    Alex Rodriguez              483     .378     .571     3758      952   
    2    Joe Medwick                 433     .374     .564     3224      788   
    3    Hank Aaron                  430     .372     .559     3524      886   
    4    Mickey Mantle               420     .427     .574     3418      952   
    5    Frank Robinson              413     .384     .561     3286      888   
    6    Ken Griffey Jr.             409     .379     .536     3440      917   
    7    Eddie Mathews               402     .388     .556     3206      880   
    8    Hal Trosky                  400     .372     .559     3085      773   
    9    Joe DiMaggio                397     .402     .623     2827      686   
    10   Vladimir Guerrero           368     .378     .587     2755      731   
    11   Al Kaline                   363     .372     .480     3919     1051   
    12   Jimmie Foxx                 349     .434     .667     2235      595   
    13   Mel Ott                     334     .411     .556     2746      745   
    14   Ted Williams                314     .481     .642     2104      586   
    15   Harlond Clift               304     .405     .496     2728      740   
    16   Arky Vaughan                302     .424     .491     3164      849   
    17   Stan Musial                 301     .426     .551     2323      611   
    18   Willie Mays                 297     .382     .584     2314      610   
    19   Dick Allen                  287     .387     .558     2262      596   
    20   Scott Rolen                 269     .375     .511     2196      593   
    21   Don Mattingly               264     .375     .539     2223      572   
    22   Albert Pujols               259     .412     .613     1771      475   
    23   Manny Ramirez               247     .393     .546     1938      552   
    T24  John Olerud                 245     .397     .486     2213      660   
    T24  Will Clark                  245     .380     .524     2100      582   
    26   Frank Thomas                235     .441     .561     1872      531   
    27   Charlie Keller              218     .421     .526     1949      541   
    28   Joe Cronin                  199     .402     .495     1755      453   
    
    HOMERUNS                        HR       OBA      SLG      AB        G     
    1    Alex Rodriguez              241     .378     .571     3758      952   
    2    Eddie Mathews               222     .388     .556     3206      880   
    3    Mickey Mantle               207     .427     .574     3418      952   
    4    Frank Robinson              202     .384     .561     3286      888   
    5    Ken Griffey Jr.             189     .379     .536     3440      917   
    6    Hank Aaron                  179     .372     .559     3524      886   
    7    Jimmie Foxx                 173     .434     .667     2235      595   
    8    Vladimir Guerrero           170     .378     .587     2755      731   
    9    Joe DiMaggio                168     .402     .623     2827      686   
    10   Hal Trosky                  155     .372     .559     3085      773   
    11   Willie Mays                 152     .382     .584     2314      610   
    12   Mel Ott                     150     .411     .556     2746      745   
    13   Al Kaline                   140     .372     .480     3919     1051   
    14   Ted Williams                127     .481     .642     2104      586   
    15   Albert Pujols               114     .412     .613     1771      475   
    16   Dick Allen                  112     .387     .558     2262      596   
    17   Joe Medwick                 110     .374     .564     3224      788   
    18   Manny Ramirez               109     .393     .546     1938      552   
    T19  Harlond Clift               108     .405     .496     2728      740   
    T19  Scott Rolen                 108     .375     .511     2196      593   
    21   Frank Thomas                104     .441     .561     1872      531   
    22   Will Clark                   98     .380     .524     2100      582   
    23   Don Mattingly                93     .375     .539     2223      572   
    24   Charlie Keller               91     .421     .526     1949      541   
    25   John Olerud                  83     .397     .486     2213      660   
    26   Arky Vaughan                 58     .424     .491     3164      849   
    27   Stan Musial                  52     .426     .551     2323      611   
    28   Joe Cronin                   31     .402     .495     1755      453   
    
    OPS                             OPS      OBA      SLG      AB        G     
    1    Ted Williams              1.123     .481     .642     2104      586   
    2    Jimmie Foxx               1.101     .434     .667     2235      595   
    3    Albert Pujols             1.025     .412     .613     1771      475   
    4    Joe DiMaggio              1.025     .402     .623     2827      686   
    5    Frank Thomas              1.002     .441     .561     1872      531   
    6    Mickey Mantle             1.002     .427     .574     3418      952   
    7    Stan Musial                .978     .426     .551     2323      611   
    8    Mel Ott                    .967     .411     .556     2746      745   
    9    Willie Mays                .966     .382     .584     2314      610   
    10   Vladimir Guerrero          .965     .378     .587     2755      731   
    11   Alex Rodriguez             .949     .378     .571     3758      952   
    12   Charlie Keller             .948     .421     .526     1949      541   
    13   Frank Robinson             .946     .384     .561     3286      888   
    14   Dick Allen                 .945     .387     .558     2262      596   
    15   Eddie Mathews              .943     .388     .556     3206      880   
    16   Manny Ramirez              .940     .393     .546     1938      552   
    17   Joe Medwick                .938     .374     .564     3224      788   
    18   Hank Aaron                 .931     .372     .559     3524      886   
    19   Hal Trosky                 .931     .372     .559     3085      773   
    20   Ken Griffey Jr.            .915     .379     .536     3440      917   
    21   Arky Vaughan               .915     .424     .491     3164      849   
    22   Don Mattingly              .914     .375     .539     2223      572   
    23   Will Clark                 .905     .380     .524     2100      582   
    24   Harlond Clift              .901     .405     .496     2728      740   
    25   Joe Cronin                 .896     .402     .495     1755      453   
    26   Scott Rolen                .886     .375     .511     2196      593   
    27   John Olerud                .883     .397     .486     2213      660   
    28   Al Kaline                  .851     .372     .480     3919     1051

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    Re: Get rid of Adam Dunn while is value is high

    Guys, im not saying he isn't good. Ive said that in about all of my posts that he is good. The point you all are missing, is that he is NOT going to get much better, and while his value is real high, i say that we trade him for some QUALITY pitching, then plug WMP into his spot, and you don't have much of a dropoff at the plate, the ony difference is, that i see WMP developing much more than Adam Dunn will over the next few years. He has made more adjustments and strides in 1 year, than Adam Dunn has in 4. We add quality pitching, and basically have a wash in offensive stats. Im am not intentionally bashing Dunn, i like him. I just think that it would be better served to trade him for some good pitching while his Value is high. Thats the problem with many reds fans today, they want pitching, and know that we need pitching, but they don't want to give anything for it.

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    Re: Get rid of Adam Dunn while is value is high

    What part of the line below tells you that Pena won't "regress" like Dunn?


    Willy Mo at 22 186 ab's .286 .343 .551 .894 - 61 K's 14 BB 15 HR's 23 Runs

    Adam Dunn at 21 244 ab's .262 .371 .578 .949 - 74 K's 38 BB 19 HR's 54 Runs


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