Get rid of Adam Dunn while is value is high

[ifreelgood]

I knew i would get laughed at somewhat.......but im telling you all, he is NOT going to get much better (trade him while everyone thinks he is going to get that much better)..... This is about his 4th year in the league, and I personally think Willy Mo Pena has made more strides in the last year, than Adam Dunn has in 4 years. Im not saying he isn't any good, but I think that WMP and Kearns are all around better players.......(avg.,hr's, speed,baserunning, fielding) even though WMP has had some problems playing OF at times, but this is really his first Big league action. Laugh all you want, but if i was in the Front office, i would try to get a kings ransom for him while his value is still high. Dunn would probably bring more in a trade than any other players on the team at this point. And if you replace him in the lineup with WMP, you virtually come out even NOW, and WMP is going to get better over the next 4 years, plus you have whatever talent that Dunn brings in a trade. Im listing his faults, everyone has a weakness (except albert pujols), .....im not saying he isn't any good.....i think he is a very good player, but i would trade him NOW, because i don't think we need to give him another 4 years to "develop".....most good players do a bulk of their development during their first 4 years....after that, the develpmental curve is a whole lot less.

[BCubb2003]

Adam Dunn is the same age as Felipe Lopez. He's four years younger than Brandon Larson. I'm all for buying low and selling high, but we forget that for all the time Dunn's been around, in baseball years he's just a big Baby Huey. I know we've watched him struggle, but my theory is that the cure is having Griffey and Kearns in the lineup.

[Spring~Fields]

ifreelgood, I think that you are very close to being right and a visionary. Why not package Dunn with one of the bad contracts, Graves, Griffey etc. and try to get some decent pitching as a return and free up some cash. Dunn might be the next HR king but the Reds need pitching and have little to obtain it.

[wheels]

They need both Springy and you know it.

How much more evidence needs to be presented before people wake up about Dunn?

What do you guys wnat from him? And why are some so eager to see him go?

It's utterly rediculous how people refuse to let FACTS get in the way of opinion.

[FlyingPig]

For a minute I thought that original description was of Wily Mo and not Dunn..

I'd trade Pena before I would Dunn.

[MikeS21]

Dunn would probably bring more in a trade than any other players on the team at this point. And if you replace him in the lineup with WMP, you virtually come out even NOW, and WMP is going to get better over the next 4 years, plus you have whatever talent that Dunn brings in a trade. Im listing his faults, everyone has a weakness (except albert pujols), .....im not saying he isn't any good.....i think he is a very good player, but i would trade him NOW, because i don't think we need to give him another 4 years to "develop"

Just for the fun of it, compare Adam Dunn's stats so far this year to Albert Pujol's stats.

                G  AB  R  H  2B  3B  HR  TB  RBI  BB  SO  SB  CS  BA  OBP  SLG  OPS 
  Adam Dunn     98 336 60 89 19   0  26  186  58  73 120   4   0 .265 .402 .554 .956 
  Albert Pujols 93 352 84 114 27  0  28  225  72  54  28   5   3 .324 .413 .639 1.053

It seems to me that the important stats like HR's, OBP, and SLG, Adam Dunn is not that far away from Pujols. Would you trade Albert Pujols from your team?

[westofyou]

I knew i would get laughed at somewhat.......but im telling you all, he is NOT going to get much better

How can we determine that your 25 years of watching baseball has been better spent than say my 36 years of watching baseball or some of the other folks on this board who have posted against your factless assertions?

What metrics and logic do you use for your player evaluation?

[Raisor]

Let's just assume for a second that Dunn WON'T get any better then he is now.

Please tell me the downside of having a guy that's ONLY the 11th best offensive player in the NL this year.

[Redsland]

Well, his batting average is kinda low.

[flyer85]

Well, his batting average is kinda low.

[whine]
And he strikes out too much.
[/whine]

[creek14]

Well, his batting average is kinda low.

:MandJ:

[westofyou]

Let's just assume for a second that Dunn WON'T get any better then he is now.

Please tell me the downside of having a guy that's ONLY the 11th best offensive player in the NL this year.

RCAA--Runs created above average.

It's the difference between a player's RC total and the total for an average
player who used the same amount of his team's outs.
A negative RCAA indicates a below average player in this category.

NL RCAA

LEADERS
1    Barry Bonds           85
2    Bobby Abreu           46
3    J.D. Drew             44
4    Albert Pujols         43
5    Todd Helton           41
6    Jim Thome             40
7    Adam Dunn             36
T8   Lance Berkman         35
T8   Scott Rolen           35
T10  Adrian Beltre         34
T10  Sean Casey            34


REDS
Adam Dunn            36
Sean Casey           34
Ken Griffey Jr.      12
Wily Mo Pena          7
Barry Larkin          2
Ryan Freel            1
Jason LaRue           1
John Vander Wal       1
D'Angelo Jimenez      0
Ray Olmedo            0
Jason Romano         -2
Austin Kearns        -3
Corky Miller         -3
Jermaine Clark       -4
Brandon Larson       -4
Jacob Cruz           -5
Juan Castro          -6
Tim Hummel           -6
Felipe Lopez         -6
Javier Valentin      -9



OWP
1    Barry Bonds          .926
2    J.D. Drew            .784
3    Bobby Abreu          .774
4    Albert Pujols        .762
5    Jim Thome            .756
6    Sean Casey           .755
7    Adam Dunn            .751
8    Adrian Beltre        .739
9    Scott Rolen          .739
10   Lance Berkman        .737



RUNS CREATED/GAME
1    Barry Bonds          20.90
2    Todd Helton          11.32
3    J.D. Drew            10.38
4    Bobby Abreu          10.28
5    Jim Thome             9.72
6    Albert Pujols         9.63
7    Lance Berkman         9.58
8    Scott Rolen           9.00
9    Sean Casey            8.92
10   Adam Dunn             8.82

[flyer85]

All you going to do with those stats is confuse people.

What his batting average? That's the most important thing.

[westofyou]

All you going to do with those stats is confuse people.

What his batting average? That's the most important thing.

Why my good man it's in the .260 range.

Would you like to take in a match between the Beaneaters and the White Stockings this afternoon at South End Grounds?

The Beaneaters have a wonderful batsman by the name of Herman Long who once batted .300 3 years in a row!!

Bully!!!

[Redsland]

That's a capital idea, WOY. Let me grab my top hat and walking stick and we can be off for the trolley.