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    June 14, 2002

    Josh Hancock (RHP, BOS): Fractured cheek bones. He was hit in the head with a line-drive and suffered two breaks in his cheek bone. He'll likely be out for three to four weeks.
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    I'd be willing to wager that neither player spends a full season in the majors in their respective careers.

    If now, all of a sudden, shortstop is a priority for O'Brien, why didn't he draft one? Take the plunge, DanO. Why waste time with Chris Gomez Lite?

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    Baseball America had Machado rated as the Phils 11th best prospect and Hancock 18th coming into this season.

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    He's had a lot of injuries (face/pelvis) hopefully he keeps healthy to see and show what he can do. Seems like w/o injuries he has done ok.

    Something like a ball hitting your face has go to be like suffering several concussions...no?

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    Machado is a lightweight, but at least he'll take a walk. The real question is what his acquisition holds for the future of Felipe Lopez and Rey Rey Olmedo. Does O'Briend seriously think Machado is good enough to beat out Olmedo (possible) and Lopex (improbable) for a job on the major league level?

    Is Machado in the hunt for the major league SS job in Cincinnati?

    IMO, no. More likely, he's Juan Castro with speed and a cheaper price tag. Machado has little in the way of a bat, but will help in other areas, assuming, of course, he's able to beat out Olmedo and possibly Lopez for a job in the Queen City.

    Not a bad choice, but one that would be easier to find, IMO, in the offseason. (Thousands of Castro clones available in winter.)

    The reason this deal gives me even a sliver of hope is Hancock, yet another soft-tossing RH with little room for error. He's pitched fairly well in the minor leagues (his 4.01 2004 ERA was his worst season in professional baseball). He's a middle reliever with little upside, but he may help for a couple seasons.

    Really, bench ballast and middle relief chaff for an aging, overproducing middle reliever.

    Final grade= eh, whatever
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony Cloninger
    He's had a lot of injuries (face/pelvis) hopefully he keeps healthy to see and show what he can do. Seems like w/o injuries he has done ok.

    Something like a ball hitting your face has go to be like suffering several concussions...no?

    Has to be devastating to come back from.

    I like the comments about how he finished his 2003 season and his efforts in the Arizona Fall League last fall.

    He'll be in camp Spring Training fighting for a roster spot. He has enough ability right now. Of course we're talking about the RED's staff, but let's see. I'd stick him in the Arizona Fall League again.
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    BP, I think you nailed it. Machado is there to be Juan Castro next season.
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    3 pitches- curve, change-up, and fastball that tops out at 94mph. Not really a "soft-tosser".

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    Juan Castro passes the torch to Machado as the "defensive" specialist. I think I am going to cry

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    Re: Todd Jones traded

    Assuming (rightly) that DanO's not going to get ML-ready arms in trade for Jones, Wilson, and Lidle, who throws those vacated innings? Who's promoted (besides Brian Rose)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Falls City Beer
    Assuming (rightly) that DanO's not going to get ML-ready arms in trade for Jones, Wilson, and Lidle, who throws those vacated innings? Who's promoted (besides Brian Rose)?
    Anyone can toss the BP that our pitchers have been doing lately.

    Seth Etherton could start and Acevedo could be moved to the pen.
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    Re: Todd Jones traded

    Ah, you guys are making me think of popping Mike Tyson's punchout into the old NES and fighting Glass Joe again.

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    Re: Todd Jones traded

    OK, I am gonna take the following positive spin on the trade:

    For 2005 Dan O just upgraded the TVP long relief position with Hancock and then moneyballed the all glove no hit position by getting similar production from a younger cheaper model who may be an uprgrade down the road.

    OK, not exactly a shot across the bow to MLB saying the Reds are back but maybe its a small step in the right direction. At least I hope it is becuase they are both Reds now.

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    Josh Hancock will probably end up being the next Amaury Telemaco. Solid long man out of the bullpen with the ability to make an occasional spot start. Nothing exciting, but is one of those guys that could be valuable. Isn't a strikeout pitcher, but doesn't walk a lot of guys, either. Whatever.


    Machado doesn't hit well enough to project out to be an everyday shortstop, but could be valuable as a bench player, defensive replacement/pinch runner. Again, nothing exciting, but could be valuable if used right. From all that I've seen of the guy (a couple games that he's been up w/the Phillies and a couple games in the minors), he just doesn't look like a good hitter.

    I don't think it is a bad deal for the Reds, as it would be hard to expect to get more for an older, free agent to be reliever like Jones.

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    Re: Todd Jones traded

    Quote Originally Posted by Aronchis
    Ah, you guys are making me think of popping Mike Tyson's punchout into the old NES and fighting Glass Joe again.

    007 373 5963

    8 years later I still remember that code to get to Tyson. Ahhh, I guess some things you just can't forget. LOL.

    Boy, has this thread been hi-jacked or what?
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