how many times did payroll strike out?Originally Posted by BadFundamentals
how many times did payroll strike out?Originally Posted by BadFundamentals
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C'mon man.Originally Posted by TRF
If you're paid more, strikeouts don't count as much. Get with the program.
"The problem with strikeouts isn't that they hurt your team, it's that they hurt your feelings..." --Rob Neyer
"The single most important thing for a hitter is to get a good pitch to hit. A good hitter can hit a pitch that’s over the plate three times better than a great hitter with a ball in a tough spot.”
--Ted Williams
You didn't post the "at bats" or "plate appearances". (sigh)
but ..."nice attempt" to jack up sample size by using PAs rather than ABs
Originally Posted by MWM
Huh? That makes no logical sense whatsoever. You're making the argument that strike outs reflect poor fundamental hitting. How much a team strikes out has nothing to do with payroll. I showed you a team that stuck out more than almost anyone else, yet they scored more runs than anyone else. The Yankees were 22nd in strike outs and 2nd in runs scored. San Francisco struck out more than anyone else, yet they were 7th in the big leagues in runs scored.Originally Posted by BadFundamentals
Grape works as a soda. Sort of as a gum. I wonder why it doesn't work as a pie. Grape pie? There's no grape pie. - Larry David
sorry steel. what was i thinking.
So if your payroll is over, say 95 mil then each strikeout is only counted as a third of a strike?
does that mean it takes more pitches to strikeout Manny Ramirez?
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because walks suck. and getting on base means nothing, cuz a walk isn't as good a a single.Originally Posted by BadFundamentals
just kill me.
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Uh.......why should I use ABs? What's important is the outcome every time he walks to the plate. You're making less sense the more you speak.Originally Posted by BadFundamentals
I posted the plate appearances and listed walks. Is that not enough.
Grape works as a soda. Sort of as a gum. I wonder why it doesn't work as a pie. Grape pie? There's no grape pie. - Larry David
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what makes no "logical sense whatsoever" (again) ,and is the point of this thread, is that you'll acknowledge strikeouts are GOOD for pitchers but you contend they are not BAD for hitters.
You're trying to say that there is a positive correlation between a hitter's strikeouts and his offensive contribution??
Don't forget to include pitchers and their at bats.
Your Bosox fact is what it is. But strikeouts is NOT the only variable at work with that example.
Originally Posted by MWM
NJ, we've got another feature on the board that can end your pain altogether. Go to User CP and find the "ignore" list on the left scrollbar. Took me all of one evening to decide this guy's LP was one endless skip.Originally Posted by NJReds
Then I read the words, "I'd go along with giving him one more year to make me eat crow and prove that I don't know what the he11 I'm talking about." That's when I decided not to put off until next year what I could do today.
I'm not a system player. I am a system.
I looked at your "bulleted list" (scroll up). You posted NEITHER plate appearances or at bats in that list.
But I stand corrected that you did cite the 106 PAs in the text..........
Originally Posted by MWM
Here is the list of teams that struck out the most from 1970-1979
Code:CAREER 1970-1979 EXTRA BASE HITS vs. the league average displayed only--not a sorting criteria RUNS CREATED/GAME vs. the league average displayed only--not a sorting criteria WALKS vs. the league average displayed only--not a sorting criteria AVERAGE vs. the league average displayed only--not a sorting criteria STRIKEOUTS SO EBH RC/G BB AVG 1 Reds 9222 339 0.38 549 -.001 2 Padres 9117 -678 -.82 -705 -.022 3 Phillies 9017 5 -.18 -304 -.007 4 Giants 8927 -156 -.20 196 -.012 5 Brewers 8906 7 -.18 -136 -.007 6 A's 8801 -211 -.24 -6 -.012 7 Mets 8685 -712 -.77 -106 -.019 8 Expos 8632 -387 -.55 -314 -.016 9 Orioles 8626 91 0.11 525 -.004 10 Pirates 8577 278 0.12 -1038 .005
you are so close to getting it.Originally Posted by BadFundamentals
psst. the key isn't strikeouts.
it's on base percentage. Dunn gets on base 38% of the time. When your team has a high OBP, they tend to score a lot of runs.
And guys like Dunn are rare. High OBP, monster power.
get it?
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Why do I need to just re-type what M2, D-Man, and Steel have already laid out quite nicely. It's not my fault that it's beyond your comprehensionOriginally Posted by BadFundamentals
OK. That has to qualify as one of the funniest statements ever uttered here on RedsZone. What I'm arguing is that stike-outs have NEXT TO NO correlation to offensive contribution. It's actually YOU who are arguing that strikeouts correlate to offensive contribution.You're trying to say that there is a positive correlation between a hitter's strikeouts and his offensive contribution??
OK. You've got me here. I really can't argue with this point.Your Bosox fact is what it is.
Grape works as a soda. Sort of as a gum. I wonder why it doesn't work as a pie. Grape pie? There's no grape pie. - Larry David
m2, please do not put this guy on your ignore list.Originally Posted by M2
i too walked on the dark side. and with help from you steel and raisor i learned that i can learn.
mebbe he can too.
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