Actually, untrue, kind sir.Originally Posted by M2
I had a win in-hand the moment I entered into the discussion.
And y'know, for all you subscribers out there it's getting to be about that time.
Heh.
Actually, untrue, kind sir.Originally Posted by M2
I had a win in-hand the moment I entered into the discussion.
And y'know, for all you subscribers out there it's getting to be about that time.
Heh.
"The problem with strikeouts isn't that they hurt your team, it's that they hurt your feelings..." --Rob Neyer
"The single most important thing for a hitter is to get a good pitch to hit. A good hitter can hit a pitch that’s over the plate three times better than a great hitter with a ball in a tough spot.”
--Ted Williams
I meant more in the sense that Marvis Frazier might not have recognized that Mike Tyson knocked him out.Originally Posted by SteelSD
I'm not a system player. I am a system.
Boom!
"Baseball players are smarter than football players. How often do you see a baseball team penalized for too many men on the field?" ~ Jim Bouton
I sort of expected a "Mike Schmidt" or someone similar comment soon.
I think this is more of a "conceptual" argument. I could toss out a list of the most versatile and fundamentally sound hitters of the last 30+ years and all of them would have in common that they don't strikeout TOO TOO much. (in some cases very few strikeouts)
guys like Boggs, Pujols, Carew, Puckett, Casey (throw a Red in there), Brett, Rose (another), Bonds, ....etc.. etc.......
and again, as a matter of principle, (see Newton) you can't have strikeouts GOOD for a pitcher but not BAD for a hitter.
Originally Posted by M2
You know Rose...after having this same argument for you over the last half of the baseball season on the mlb.boards , I'll just sit this one out.Originally Posted by BadFundamentals
It is amusing to watch though...and at least on this board they have this :dflynn: :dflynn: :dflynn: ...which is pretty much how I felt all Summer.
Hey BAF, these close and late situations you talk about, you know, the argument you're using to hate on Dunn. Just for your information, in case you were concerned, Dunn had the following stats in 106 PAs in 2004:
BA - .323
OBP - .417
SLG - .720
OPS - 1.137
K - 34
BB - 13
H - 30
2B - 4
RBI - 22
So whay you're telling me is that you actually think Adam Dunn is a GREAT hitter in close and late situations.
Grape works as a soda. Sort of as a gum. I wonder why it doesn't work as a pie. Grape pie? There's no grape pie. - Larry David
ha ha....
after football games all the players and coaches talk about "big plays", making or not making the "big plays"
The baseball equivalent is making the most of "situations".... Lou Pinella constantly talks of getting the big hits etc... etc.....
Fundamentally Sound hitters are most capable of big situational at bats. Fundamentally Sound hitters don't strikeout too too much.
Originally Posted by NJReds
right........... pick his career year and make a case based on 30 hits??
His lifetime avg. with RISP (important situations) is less than .210
Originally Posted by MWM
How do you account for the fact that the Red Sox struck out the 3rd most in the majors, let scored more runs than anyone else?
Also, how do you account for the fact that there is ZERO correlation in a team's strike outs to the number of runs they score?
Grape works as a soda. Sort of as a gum. I wonder why it doesn't work as a pie. Grape pie? There's no grape pie. - Larry David
see "payroll"
Originally Posted by MWM
He can't. The only statistic he has is his .210 average over his career.
Blechhh.
"Baseball players are smarter than football players. How often do you see a baseball team penalized for too many men on the field?" ~ Jim Bouton
And I think this is more of a "you being wrong" argument.I think this is more of a "conceptual" argument.
"The problem with strikeouts isn't that they hurt your team, it's that they hurt your feelings..." --Rob Neyer
"The single most important thing for a hitter is to get a good pitch to hit. A good hitter can hit a pitch that’s over the plate three times better than a great hitter with a ball in a tough spot.”
--Ted Williams
I thought it only mattered late in close games? Are you saying that these things matter the entire game?Originally Posted by BadFundamentals
And I was basing it on 106 plate appearances. Trying to wittle that down to 30 hits is a nice attempt at drawing attention away from the fact that you make no sense.
Grape works as a soda. Sort of as a gum. I wonder why it doesn't work as a pie. Grape pie? There's no grape pie. - Larry David
payroll?
Hah!
"Baseball players are smarter than football players. How often do you see a baseball team penalized for too many men on the field?" ~ Jim Bouton
It would be nice to not have to bat your SS or Jason LaRue etc.. etc...instead..... just bat 9 left fielders in a row - you'd win alot of games.
On a shoestring budget, you're unlikely to ever have the top to bottom talent of a Bosox or Yankees.
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