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    Re: Marty lambastes Larkin

    You've mentioned countless times on this post that anyone that disagrees with you must be either brainwashed or firmly up Marty's ass. Since other people took the side you weren't on it wasn't because they had a different view than you, it was because we were stupid and gullible.

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    Re: Marty lambastes Larkin

    Quote Originally Posted by REDREAD
    Marty does parrot the party line. He's never disagreed with anything Allen/Lindner have done. He knows who's paying his check. Remember his crusade to convince the fans that they should not expect Jr to come here?
    Marge used to sign his check too and I don't recall him ever being shy about criticizing her. The last few years of JimBo's tenure he would criticize about every move he made. He also used to get into it with D*ck W*gner. Now all of a sudden he's a puppet and a yes man? Doesn't wash.
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    Re: Marty lambastes Larkin

    It's not possible that Marty has an opinion that differs from the common views on this board. If you disagree with their opinion it's because you are either brainwashed or a yes man. How they came to this conclusion on everybody is beyond me.\
    Maybe Marty really likes John Allen and thinks he is doing a good job? He's probably wrong, but why is it such a sure thing he is kissing ass? Like Chip said the guy hasn't shown in the past that quality.

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    Re: Marty lambastes Larkin

    Nope, just offering an opinion based on observation. I lived in Cincinnati for 25 years and I witnessed first-hand just how far up Marty's ass some folks are. I know that Marty has always promoted his "tell it like it is" brand. So when he comes out and says these types of things that seem to be very personal for him and rips a guy like Larkin over the public airways and people's first reaction is to defend Marty as "call's it llike he sees it", then yes, it appears to me that some have bought the Marty Brenneman image he's been promoting for a couple of decades.

    Marty's defenders will never, EVER consider that he's in the wrong and that what he's doing is unprofessional. NO WAY, it's ALWAYS about Marty "calling it like he sees it". So yes, the evidence is there for me to offer this opinion. I'm sorry if you feel personally indicted. I never made accusations for anyone personally, but I have little doubt that plenty of people are buying what Marty is selling ans has been selling successfully in this thread.

    Evidence: the first thing said after someone dared question the omniscient Marty Brenneman was "he just doesn't sugarcoat". I'd say there's a lot of validity to my opinion in this case. I'm sure there are some who just agree with Marty in this case, but there's also plenty of people not capable getting past their idolization of Marty. those are the people I'm talking about.
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    Re: Marty lambastes Larkin

    Quote Originally Posted by Chip R
    Marge used to sign his check too and I don't recall him ever being shy about criticizing her. The last few years of JimBo's tenure he would criticize about every move he made. He also used to get into it with D*ck W*gner. Now all of a sudden he's a puppet and a yes man? Doesn't wash.
    Allen didn't care if Jimbo got criticized. Remember, Allen wanted Bowden out.
    Marty was doing Allen a favor by turning the Brennamen-lemmings against Bowden. And actually, Marty did the bulk of his Bowden bashing after Bowden left.

    Sorry, I can't recall Marty ever criticizing Marge until it was certain that Marge was out. Maybe you're right, but I can't ever recall it.

    He has NEVER said anything bad about Lindner/Allen. Nothing but sunshine about them.
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    Re: Marty lambastes Larkin

    Quote Originally Posted by Cedric
    Maybe Marty really likes John Allen and thinks he is doing a good job? He's probably wrong, but why is it such a sure thing he is kissing ass? .
    Allen has no tolerance for people not towing the line. Remember how Bowden almost got fired for critcizing Doc Hollywood (a revenue generator)? Remember how Allen held a grudge against McKeon for demanding a raise after winning manager of the year?

    That's why Allen likes Miley and DanO. They barely have a pulse, don't make any waves. You can bet if Marty started laying it on Allen, Marty would be gone the next day.

    MArty is smart in that regard. I'm not saying he's wrong for kissing Allen. Nothing wrong with keeping your job secure. But let's not pretend that Marty is some impartial voice or font of wisdom.

    He's a bitter old man that holds grudges for a long time. Look at how it burned him when the Reds got Jr. He takes his digs at Jr whenever he can, ever since Jr arrived.
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    Re: Marty lambastes Larkin

    Quote Originally Posted by lollipopcurve
    Again -- I loved watching the guy play. And that's what matters most to me as a fan. But his "classy" persona belied a pretty manipulative personality, in my opinion.
    Pretend you care about your job, maybe you do in which case you don't have to pretend. Anyway, say you're pouring your heart and soul into what you do in order to make your company a winner in a highly competitive business. You're acknowledged as the absolute best at what you do, something that only a select few have ever been able to do as well as you in the history of your industry. I don't know where you work or what you do, but employees like that tend to get a say in how the company operates. It's standard operating procedure that star performers and senior leadership in any endeavor have a significant influence over companywide decisions.

    Now say you've hit the absolute pinnacle of your profession where you've taken your company right to the top of the industry. And now you've got the option of staying for less money or going for a huge payday. You stay because certain representations are made that because you're taking less money that will help the company keep itself on top. Yet, almost the second after you make that commitment, the company begins to dismantle and enter into a reorganization phase. You're performing as well as ever, but your effort and commitment is being wasted. You were sold an empty bill of goods. Now who's been manipulated?
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    Re: Marty lambastes Larkin

    Quote Originally Posted by REDREAD
    He was just benched for 6 weeks, yet still wanted to come back.

    He's not stupid. Of course he knew that Lopez and Machado would be getting a lot of starts next year. DanO and Miley showed it to him. There was no denying it.

    I've never seen a quote where he demanded to be a starter. Marty says it, but that doesn't make it so. But perhaps he said he "prefered" to start. Much like Pokey Reese said he "prefered" to start. Any ballplayer that doesn't prefer to start doesn't have much drive in him. I bet VanderWall even prefered to be a starter.
    From the Post Oct. 13....

    If Larkin knew the Reds were committed to starting Lopez and Machado every day at shortstop next season, could he play an entire year in the same role he held this September?

    "No, I couldn't," Larkin said, "because I think once I started playing that the manager would see that I could make more contributions to the team than that. If I get a chance to go out there and play, with my track record when I'm healthy, everybody knows that I can play. So, no, I couldn't see myself in that position, especially in Cincinnati."

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    Re: Marty lambastes Larkin

    Quote Originally Posted by REDREAD

    He's a bitter old man that holds grudges for a long time. Look at how it burned him when the Reds got Jr. He takes his digs at Jr whenever he can, ever since Jr arrived.
    When? When Junior doesn't run out first base? When Junior isn't running to try to make a ground ball a single? When he doesn't run full force to catch a fly ball?

    Why shouldn't he...the money Junior makes, you'd expect him to do those things - I like Junior, but I don't like when he occasionally "slacks off" in the field

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    Re: Marty lambastes Larkin

    Quote Originally Posted by johngalt
    From the Post Oct. 13....

    If Larkin knew the Reds were committed to starting Lopez and Machado every day at shortstop next season, could he play an entire year in the same role he held this September?

    "No, I couldn't," Larkin said, "because I think once I started playing that the manager would see that I could make more contributions to the team than that. If I get a chance to go out there and play, with my track record when I'm healthy, everybody knows that I can play. So, no, I couldn't see myself in that position, especially in Cincinnati."
    But he told Bowden he'd be ok with being a utility guy in Washington

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    Re: Marty lambastes Larkin

    Why shouldn't he...the money Junior makes, you'd expect him to do those things
    Ummm.... because his legs are made out of paper mache and spit?

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    Re: Marty lambastes Larkin

    Quote Originally Posted by Matt700wlw
    But he told Bowden he'd be ok with being a utility guy in Washington
    He has told other teams that, but he was clear he did not want to be a utility guy here.

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    Re: Marty lambastes Larkin

    Quote Originally Posted by REDREAD
    He's a bitter old man that holds grudges for a long time. Look at how it burned him when the Reds got Jr. He takes his digs at Jr whenever he can, ever since Jr arrived.
    Jr. was stealing Marty's spotlight. He needed to be put in his place.
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    Re: Marty lambastes Larkin

    Quote Originally Posted by johngalt
    He has told other teams that, but he was clear he did not want to be a utility guy here.
    I'm a big Larkin fan...but that is why he is no longer here

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    Re: Marty lambastes Larkin

    Marty's comments did surprise me though


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