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    Re: What do you people want??

    You haven't been here for long if you don't think people here assume they can do it quite well and easily.

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    Re: What do you people want??

    To call that an improvement of players is a slap in the face. If you call those improvements then I don't know what to say. Yea, those are improvements to make every Red fan rush to the ticket office and, buy, buy, buy tickets. That is what the old man wants you think. OK, we will improve by 3 games from last season. Big Deal!

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    Re: What do you people want??

    Good RF30. I'm glad you're happy with things, and I'll look forward to reading about how positive you are in, say, late July.

    Keep the faith.
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    Re: What do you people want??

    Quote Originally Posted by Rojo
    No. We don't. My priorities were rotation, rotation and rotation and then maybe shortstop.
    What he said.


    Quote Originally Posted by Tony Cloninger
    Who is willing to go through those 2-3 bad years?
    Where you been the past four years? I went through those. FWIW, looks to me like we've got 2-3 bad years coming up following DanO's current gameplan. Nothing gets better until this team figures out how to bring in some quality starting pitching. Ramon Ortiz doesn't even come close.

    Which gets me back to what Rojo said.
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    Re: What do you people want??

    I want several million bucks, but that's not going to happen

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    Re: What do you people want??

    Last year this team broke the record for worst ERA in its 130 year history.

    This year, they broke it again.

    Improvement? That's what some people are happy with? The notion that next year's Reds team might not be the worst one ever for the third straight year?

    Forgive me if I expect this team to aim a little higher than "improvement."
    Makes all the routine posts.

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    Re: What do you people want??

    Quote Originally Posted by redsfan30
    For as long as I can remember, posters here have complained that we have done nothing to even remotely make the club better. I think we can all agree that the bullpen, thirdbase and the rotation were our problems in order. You cursed the team for not doing anything.

    So what does the team do? They go out and get David Weathers, Ben Weber and Kent Mercker for the bullpen. Sorry to sound so nasty, but anyone who thinks that that is not an improvement over what we had in the pen last year doesn't know what they're talking about.
    I'll agree the bullpen was a problem last year, and needed to be addressed. I'm not sure, however, that we needed to spend the money we spent on these guys. I don't mind the Mercker signing so much, because we definitely need a LH in the pen. But Weathers and Weber, in my mind, are question marks right now. Especially Weber and his health. There's no real way of knowing how these two will perform next year, and one might argue we could get similar performances from guys within our system, for a lot less money.

    But if they're even average relief pitchers in 2005, you're right. It's an improvement.

    Quote Originally Posted by redsfan30
    You all complained about Austin Kearns moving to third. You said it wouldn't work out. The team realized that, so what did they do? They went out and signed a *PROVEN MAJOR LEAGUE* thirdbaseman. Sorry to sound so nasty, but anyone who thinks that Randa is not an improvement over what we had at third last year doesn't know what they're talking about.
    I think this comes down to Randa vs. Freel. There are sound arguments for why Freel should be the third baseman, including batting him leadoff every day. In my opinion, it comes down to two things: Freel's bat/OBP/speed vs. Randa's glove, and the money. At a price of $2.15M, is it worth having Randa at 3B over a $400K Freel? (Or whatever Freel stands to make.)

    Quote Originally Posted by redsfan30
    Ramon Ortiz has been added to the top of the rotation. He is a veteran who had a streak of some mighty fine numbers over a three or four year period and also has World Series experience. He allows us to put Josh Hancock in Louisville, where at this stage of his career, I think he belongs. More importantly, Dan O'Brien has said he's not done yet. We know for a fact that we are intested in Wade Miller.
    Ortiz's stats have been laid out numerous times here. Even when he was posting his "mighty fine" numbers, he still had some problems (giving up home runs, for one). But more importantly, he has not posted mighty fine numbers in the past two seasons. Essentially we're gambling $4M~ on him being average, if you ask me. As has been said a number of times, why not take that money and go get someone who hasn't been on a big decline for two seasons?

    Quote Originally Posted by redsfan30
    This team is improved over last year. Everyone is entitled to thier own opinion, but it is my opinion that anyone who has any knowledge whatsoever about baseball should be able to see that this is a better team than what we had last year. People are actually complaing that O'Brien had a better off season last year when he did nothing???? What gives? Do you want the Reds to go out and sign Beltran and trade for Johnson....and while we're at it, why don't we go get Schilling and Gagne and Smoltz? Heck, why stop there?
    I too think the team has improved. However, incremental improvements in the pitchng staff aren't going to get us very far. What you have to realize is that we're coming off a season where this team had the second-worst ERA in the majors, and the worst in Reds history. (IIRC.) So improving upon that not only should not be hard, but there also needs to be a *serious* improvement. And while I do think Weathers, Weber and Mercker will help the pen somewhat, if they're all healthy, Ortiz alone seemingly doesn't improve the rotation. Of course he could have a great year, but evidence indicates that is a long shot. Much in the same way that Hancock could have a good year, but it's unlikely.

    Improving something that was awful to start with does not automatically make it good. This team could probably get by with an average pitching staff, but we have quite a few guys who either are below average, or for whom an average year could be considered a career year.

    Quote Originally Posted by redsfan30
    So...my question presented to the posters here at Redszone is....What in the world makes you people happy?

    PS. I'm sorry to sound so negative towards the vibe here, but it is just so frustrating to hear people say how we have to do this this and this to the team...and when we finally do it, you complain about it.
    The problem with that statement is, what exactly have we "finally done" that we're all complaining about? It's not like we signed an ace pitcher and we're all sitting around moaning and groaning about it. We signed Ortiz, who is a huge question mark and had awful numbers last year; Weathers and Weber, question marks. Mercker will be okay, IMO, but I could still argue the money needed to go elsewhere. Randa ... well, what can you say? He's good with the glove?

    Obviously everyone has a different idea of what the team could do to make them happy. I'd venture a guess and say that signing some starting pitchers who are healthy and have put up decent numbers in the immediate past would be a good place to start. Lock up Dunn to a LTC, or a three-year deal, whatever. Let us know he's going to be around. For me, at least, those are the two things I wanted this offseason, and neither have happened.

    To sum up: Maybe the team is improved. But year after year, this team's success is contingent on "ifs". If these pitchers have career years, and if everyone stays relatively healthy, and if the young pitchers perform well, we are improved. I would like some of those ifs removed.
    Last edited by RosieRed; 12-22-2004 at 04:24 PM.

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    Re: What do you people want??

    Quote Originally Posted by Redsland
    Last year this team broke the record for worst ERA in its 130 year history.

    This year, they broke it again.

    Improvement? That's what some people are happy with? The notion that next year's Reds team might not be the worst one ever for the third straight year?

    Forgive me if I expect this team to aim a little higher than "improvement."
    OK. Where's the punchline? Don't you know you're not supposed to post here without saying something clever? :RedinDC:

    Kiddig. Nice post. I couldn't agree more.
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    Re: What do you people want??

    RedsFan30, I think your confusion can be summed up as follows: you think the signings/trades the Reds have made are enough to make them a contending team. There are plenty of us here, including me, who wanted the team to do something gives us a legitimate hope to reach the postseason, not just a marginal upgrade of the team we had, which in my opinion, is exactly what they did. Last year's team trotted out the worst rotation in team history. Their solution was to trade for a starter who compiled an ERA in the 5's as a starter in 2004. That's great if the moves they've made excite you; they don't do it for me unless the goal is to finish ahead of the Brewers and Pirates, which is what it appears.

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    Re: What do you people want??

    What do you want from life
    To kidnap an heiress
    or threaten her with a knife
    What do you want from life
    To get cable TV
    and watch it every night

    There you sit
    a lump in your chair
    Where do you sleep
    and what do you wear
    when you're sleeping

    What do you want from life
    An Indian guru
    to show you the inner light
    What do you want from life
    a meaningless love affair
    with a girl that you met tonight

    How can you tell when you're doin' alright
    Does your bank account swell
    While you're dreaming at night
    How do know when you're really in love
    Do violins play when you're touching the one
    That you're loving

    What do you want from life
    Someone to love
    and somebody that you can trust
    What do you want from life
    To try and be happy
    while you do the nasty things you must

    Well, you can't have that, but if you're an American citizen you are entitled to:
    a heated kidney shaped pool,
    a microwave oven--don't watch the food cook,
    a Dyna-Gym--I'll personally demonstrate it in the privacy of your own home,
    a king-size Titanic unsinkable Molly Brown waterbed with polybendum,
    a foolproof plan and an airtight alibi,
    real simulated Indian jewelry,
    a Gucci shoetree,
    a year's supply of antibiotics,
    a personally autographed picture of Randy Mantooth
    and Bob Dylan's new unlisted phone number,
    a beautifully restored 3rd Reich swizzle stick,
    Rosemary's baby,
    a dream date in kneepads with Paul Williams,
    a new Matador, a new mastodon,
    a Maverick, a Mustang, a Montego,
    a Merc Montclair, a Mark IV, a meteor,
    a Mercedes, an MG, or a Malibu,
    a Mort Moriarty, a Maserati, a Mac truck,
    a Mazda, a new Monza, or a moped,
    a Winnebago--Hell, a herd of Winnebago's we're giving 'em away,
    or how about a McCulloch chainsaw,
    a Las Vegas wedding,
    a Mexican divorce,
    a solid gold Kama Sutra coffee pot,
    or a baby's arm holding an apple?
    Get your nunchucks and the keys to your dad's car. I know where we can get a gun

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    Re: What do you people want??

    What Do You Want?
    It's too complicated
    What do you mean?
    It's too hard to state it
    What do you do?
    It's not what but whether
    Who do you love?
    I'm in love with leather

    What do you want?
    I don't know what is it
    What do you need?
    I just need a minute
    What will it take?
    It will take forever
    Who do you love?
    I'm in love with lethargy
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    Re: What do you people want??

    - I'll take Ramon Ortiz over Corey Lidle

    - I'll take Weber, Weathers, and Mercker over Rielding, Norton, and Padilla (or Matthews)

    - I'll take Joe Randa over Brandon Larson

    Championship caliber? I doubt it....but improvement, and steps in the right direction, and hell...perhaps they're not finished making moves -- and NO long term contracts with these vets that would gaurantee their tenure if they have injury problems

    I'm seeing more THIS offseason than LAST offseason - I'm willing to give this "plan" time as long as they're showing that there actually is one

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    Re: What do you people want??

    Very well said Rosie.

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    Re: What do you people want??

    Quote Originally Posted by Matt700wlw
    - I'll take Ramon Ortiz over Corey Lidle

    - I'll take Weber, Weathers, and Mercker over Rielding, Norton, and Padilla (or Matthews)

    - I'll take Joe Randa over Brandon Larson

    Championship caliber? I doubt it....but improvement, and steps in the right direction, and hell...perhaps they're not finished making moves -- and NO long term contracts with these vets that would gaurantee their tenure if they have injury problems

    I'm seeing more THIS offseason than LAST offseason - I'm willing to give this "plan" time as long as they're showing that there actually is one
    -Ortiz vs. Lidle is like organic eggs vs. regular eggs. One may or may not be better for you, and at the end of the day eggs are still high in cholesterol.

    -Agreed on the bullpen.

    -I'd probably take Randa over Larson too, unless Randa's money could go to a starting pitcher. In which case I'd take Freel over Randa, and be happy about it.

    Maybe these are steps in the right direction. But if they are, they are the tiniest of baby steps. I hear you re. no long-term contracts for veterans, but come next off-season we could be right back where we were this offseason: Few, if any, good starting pitchers, and a bullpen that will have been bruised by the massive amount of innings it will have pitched.

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    Re: What do you people want??

    I have been right here......look when i first started posting.

    I was not saying in any way that i am satisfied with the off-season.

    It would make me happy if they would sign Mohr and either Perez or Millwood.
    Yet i know that would not be enough.

    I am just responding to those who say only a championship would make them happy. It would make me happy also but i am also a bit more realistic...right now....that this is not going to happen...and that contending for a divsion title or WC this year......would make me happy. And by contending...i mean like they were contending in 1999.


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