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Thread: Reds trade Dustin Moseley for Ramon Ortiz

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    Re: Reds get Ortiz

    Quote Originally Posted by M2
    Ortiz will cost close to $4M this season. Forget who said it in the other thread, might have been FCB, but this is Lidle revisited. Not a good pitcher, not much hope of being a good pitcher and his salary prevents the club from pursuing other options that might offer actual help (e.g. say the Reds could somehow land A.J. Burnett, now it doesn't matter because he'd put them over budget).

    Worst of all is the Angels might have non-tendered Ortiz in another week, putting him on the open market at a greatly reduced price for no compensation whatsoever.
    No offense, but the Cincy FO landing the likes of an AJ Burnett just seems like a pipe dream any more. They appear to either be not willing to trade from one of our few strengths or they're not willing to foot the bill for it, both in current and future dollars. As one poster put, I think a trade of this nature is about as good as it gets for us.
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    Re: Reds get Ortiz

    He is a lock for the rotation. You don't trade pitchers with even slight success at AAA at age 22, for someone that is gonna get non tendered in a week and then not pitch him. This trade makes absolutely zero sense. There isn't a way in hell Anaheim was gonna tender him.

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    Re: Reds get Ortiz

    Quote Originally Posted by wheels
    I really hope the Reds have given this guy's arm a good once or twice over before making this deal.
    So you believe Ramon will consent to an MRI?
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    Re: Reds get Ortiz

    Quote Originally Posted by BrooklynRedz
    ummm, believe it or not, anaheim WAS in the clement sweeps. not sure what's so hard to believe about that.

    I read it wrong...I though you said us...nevermind..disregard

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    Re: Reds get Ortiz

    Quote Originally Posted by BrooklynRedz
    ummm, believe it or not, anaheim WAS in the clement sweeps. not sure what's so hard to believe about that.
    I'm not so sure they still aren't.

    Rotoworld.com says they are via FOXSPORTS

    The Angels have agreed to terms with Paul Byrd on a one-year deal, TSN's Ken Rosenthal reports.

    Byrd apparently will join Bartolo Colon, Kelvim Escobar and John Lackey in the rotation. It looks like the team will continue to pursue Matt Clement and attempt to trade Jarrod Washburn. Dec. 14 - 5:22 pm et
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    Re: Reds get Ortiz

    Here's his last two years (and he'll be 32 this season):

    IP - 308
    H - 348
    BB - 101
    WHIP - 1.46
    K - 176
    HR - 46
    OPS 2003 - .810
    OPS 2004 - .793
    ERA 2003 - 5.2
    ERA 2004 - 4.43
    EBH - 118
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    Re: Reds get Ortiz

    He looks to be a higher K Cory Lidle.
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    Gosh guys! We finally do something and everyone just complains. I just think it's funny! We don't even know the deal yet. I'll reserve judgement until I get the facts, but I'd say this is an upgrade to the rotation and really and truly that's a good thing however you look at it. Now if we paid 5,6,7 million maybe not, but I can't say yet as I've not seen the deal. Russ was tough a couple years ago and he was in the AL so facing the NL he could be a nice pitcher. Not the ace everyone wanted, but better is good. Let's get some positive vibes going.
    And This One Belongs to the REDS!!!

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    Re: Reds get Ortiz

    Ortiz will be 32 (allegedly) in May. I don't think he has any surprises left in him.

    Again, I don't think Ortiz will be significantly better than what moseley would have been in 2005. Better, yes. WAY better, I'm not convinced. $4MM better, no way.
    Grape works as a soda. Sort of as a gum. I wonder why it doesn't work as a pie. Grape pie? There's no grape pie. - Larry David

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    Re: Reds get Ortiz

    So...
    Who do we send them for Washburn? Jimenez or ???

    ---'Roser

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    Re: Reds get Ortiz

    D'Lo probably won't be tendered..his money will go to Ortiz, which will make Freel your everyday 2nd baseman, and the Kearns to third thing goes through

    ...think?

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    Re: Reds get Ortiz

    Quote Originally Posted by Reds1
    Gosh guys! We finally do something and everyone just complains. I just think it's funny! We don't even know the deal yet. I'll reserve judgement until I get the facts, but I'd say this is an upgrade to the rotation and really and truly that's a good thing however you look at it. Now if we paid 5,6,7 million maybe not, but I can't say yet as I've not seen the deal. Russ was tough a couple years ago and he was in the AL so facing the NL he could be a nice pitcher. Not the ace everyone wanted, but better is good. Let's get some positive vibes going.
    Russ??? I thought we got David???
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    Re: Reds get Ortiz

    "Russ was tough a couple years ago"

    But it's NOT Russ we just landed. It's RAMON, remember?

    Hey, OldX---I'd take David...yeah...we could make that work.

    ---'Roser

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    Re: Reds get Ortiz

    Quote Originally Posted by MWM
    Here's his last two years (and he'll be 32 this season):

    IP - 308
    H - 348
    BB - 101
    WHIP - 1.46
    K - 176
    HR - 46
    OPS 2003 - .810
    OPS 2004 - .793
    ERA 2003 - 5.2
    ERA 2004 - 4.43
    EBH - 118

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    Re: Reds get Ortiz

    Ortiz had an awful 2003.

    I sure hope that guy doesn't show up, 'cause that guy looks like a Reds pitcher.
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