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    This looks good to me. My only fear in dealing Reitsma was the potential he was a Trevor Hoffman in the works, but Ryan Wagner's potential has mitigated my fears.

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    Re: Re: Rotoworld.com writeups

    Originally posted by Chip R
    Was there a coup we didn't know about?
    :MandJ: Typical Rotoworld.
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    Supposedly, Allen said that eliminating the General Manager position was key to trimming down company payroll so they would have money to buy pitching. I guess Miley has both jobs now.

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    I love this trade.

    4. Bubba Nelson, rhp

    Age: 21. B-T: R-R. Ht.: 6-2. Wt.: 200.
    Drafted: HS--Fort Washington, Md., 2000 (2nd round).
    Signed by: J.J. Picollo.

    Background: After leading the minors with a 1.66 ERA in 2002, Nelson made a seamless move to Double-A. He ranked sixth in the Southern League in ERA before dominating in 11 late-season relief appearances at Richmond. He moved to the bullpen in case the Braves needed him for the playoffs.

    Strengths: Nelson has impressive life on all his pitches. His heavy heater sits in the 92-93 mph range and shows outstanding movement, not unlike Greg Maddux’ slower fastball. He also has a nasty hard slider that looks at times like a slurve.

    Weaknesses: Command, particularly with his fastball, remains Nelson’s greatest need. While he keeps his pitches down, he must improve the location of all his pitches in the strike zone. Though his changeup continues to develop, it's still inconsistent.

    The Future: The Braves believe Nelson is on the verge of reaching the majors. He'll return to the rotation in 2004 in Triple-A, and could see some big league action by the end of the season. Atlanta's bullpen is unsettled, so that could be where he gets his first opportunity.

    The Braves have some issues with their bullpen, im guessing Reitsma will be a setupman for Smoltz. Good trade for the Reds, at least we know DanO isnt Jim Bowden.
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    one question.....does Bong pitch better on grass or turf....he asked tongue firmly in cheek

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    What I like especially about this trade is that it shows that O'Brien is re-evaluating guys who were previously considered mainstays on the team. That's the only way the Reds will get better. I agree with O'Brien's judgment on Reitsma and think he got a lot of value in return.

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    I just hope there was more to this than dumping his salary.
    They just got 2 live arms for a guy with an undefined role on a team loaded with RH relievers.

    That's what it's about.

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    Re: Re: Re: Rotoworld.com writeups

    Originally posted by LvJ
    :MandJ: Typical Rotoworld.
    Que? I don't read Rotoworld.
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    Consider it an addendum to the Trade Scorecard.

    The first trade of the Dan O' Brien era has been made, right as I start to run out of jokes about the guy's lack of transactional manuevers.

    The Reds traded Chris Reitsma to Atlanta for left-handed reliever Jung Bong and right-handed starting prospect Bubba Nelson.

    First, the links:

    Reitsma:

    http://tsf.waymoresports.thestar.com...layer.cgi?1609

    Bong:

    http://tsf.waymoresports.thestar.com...layer.cgi?2863

    Nelson:

    http://tsf.waymoresports.thestar.com...layer.cgi?3776


    Reitsma, of course, is 26, in his first year of arbitration at $900k with two more to follow, and was in place to be a setup man with the Reds this year. He has the potential to start, but has not had sustained success in the role (although he's now in his fourth year, and should still have a chance to improve).

    Nelson is 22 (23 in August), 6-2/200#, and was a second-round pick in 2000 out of a Maryland high school. His breakout year was 2002, where he posted a 1.72 ERA in the Florida State League (High-A). This led the entire minor leagues (!). He had a solid season in 2003 at AA Greenville (in the rotation with Matt Belisle), going 8-10, 3.18 in 23 games, 20 starts. He allowed only 106 hits in 119 innings, but had a mediocre BB/K ratio of 45/77. The Braves moved him to AAA Richmond at the end of the year, where he had a 1.88 ERA in 11 relief appearances. He struck out more than a batter per inning in the low minors, but his K ratio has dropped as he climbs the ladder. Baseball America said he was a "stud" and close to the majors. According to Baseball Prospectus, he throws sliders half the time, which strains his elbow. They think he's a short reliever in the Scott Williamson mold, given his accompanying hard sinker and low-90s fastball. Composite minor league numbers: 4 years, 34-26, 3.04 ERA, 468 IP, 399 H (7.7 H/9), 165 BB (3.2 BB/9), 404 K (7.8 K/9).

    Bong is 23 (24 in July). He's a stringbean at 6-3/175#, and is of course Korean. In his first full season in 2003, he pitched out of the Braves' bullpen and went 6-2, 5.05 in 44 games. 57 IP, 56 H, 31 BB, 47 K, 8 HR. By all accounts, he's got a very good changeup, but is still working on a curveball. He was apparently an outfielder when he left Korea (1997), and has only been pitching for five or six years. He started almost exclusively in the minors, compiling a 38-33 record with a 3.33 ERA. 610 IP, 592 H (8.8 H/9), 211 BB (3.1 BB/9), and 550 K (8.1 K/9). Most of this was compiled in A-ball, as he made only three appearances in AAA and twenty-seven in AA before making the club out of spring training in 2003. BP likes him fairly well, and points out that changeup artists are rare as relief pitchers, liking him as a future 3-4-5 starter. (I guess that goes for Reitsma as well, eh?)

    Bong is obviously cheaper than Reitsma, two years from arbitration eligibility, and appears to have similar stuff. He's also left-handed. And Nelson is a very solid pitching prospect who should start the year in Louisville.

    On paper, I can't criticize this trade. The Reds dealt from a position of strength (right-handed relievers) and appear to have diversified their bullpen while simultaneously cutting $500k off the payroll and strengthening the pitching upside in the high minors. Reitsma is likely to put up an above-average ERA out of the bullpen for Atlanta in 2004, but he'd then make multi-millions. As long as neither Bong nor Nelson are injured or something, the Reds appear as though they've bettered their team going forward.

    Did I mention all the dope jokes? There's some fan upside, too, although the chicks will miss Chris.

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    So, Louiville's rotation seems to be assuming Bong doesn't make the club (Hello Mr. Jones, welcome to Cincinnati.)

    Claussen
    Moseley
    Belisle
    Bong
    Nelson

    that's three ex-braves in the AAA roatation, and all members of the rotation are 25 and younger. That's quite a difference from two years ago.

    With Wilson and Haynes in the last year of their contract, Next years roatation looks to be young, fraught with competition and full of upside.
    Suck it up cupcake.

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    Am I on the right board? The Cin-cinn-ati Reds did something that we all like? This cannot be. This scares me to death. I'm thinking that Reitsma will be the next Randy Johnson since we all like this trade....


    Seriously though. Great trade in my mind.
    The Braves are trying to win this year and we are trying to win in 2 years. That is what this is all about and I don't have a problem with it...unless we trade Dunn and Kearns for a bucket of money.
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    OK, let's combine these evaluations on Nelson and see where it leads us.

    From BA (I think):
    Nelson has impressive life on all his pitches. His heavy heater sits in the 92-93 mph range and shows outstanding movement, not unlike Greg Maddux’ slower fastball. He also has a nasty hard slider that looks at times like a slurve... Command, particularly with his fastball, remains Nelson’s greatest need. While he keeps his pitches down, he must improve the location of all his pitches in the strike zone. Though his changeup continues to develop, it's still inconsistent.
    From BP:
    Nelson relies mostly on his slider, throwing it more than half the time. His translated strikeout rates have declined at each level, but that's the predictable, troubling result of relying too heavily on a breaking pitch.
    My attempted translation: Nelson's enamored with his slider because minor-league hitters can't hit it. At the major-league level, he'll need to use his fastball more, particularly since it appears to be a good one. If he can improve his command and his changeup, he could be a pretty good starter; if he can't, he could still be useful in the bullpen.

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    Bye bye :reitsma:
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    Re: Re: Re: Re: Rotoworld.com writeups

    Originally posted by Chip R
    Que? I don't read Rotoworld.
    They make quite a bit of mistakes from time to time, and it's funny to read. Plus, they know no more than you or I when it comes to evaluating talent, or knowing where a player is most likely to end up at (IE: Bong in Louisville, it's just a guess .. but considering our lefty troubles, I highly doubt he'll start the year in Louy. Atleast, I hope he doesn't.)
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