Ahhhhhh.Originally Posted by Rojo
The genius Ed Wade was just doing an interview on sports writer's type shoe here in Philadelphia. He said that the Phils and Reds were in negotiations for Lidle before the deadline, but the Reds were still in contention, so they didn't want to give up Lidle. I guess they felt that they were officially out of it now, placed Lidle on waivers, and the Phillies put a claim on him. So it doesn't sound like there was anything more to this deal (like other teams involved or anything). Wade also said that during their original discussions involving Lidle before the deadline, the Reds said they wanted "major league ready" players. Then they went through some heavy negotiations after the Phils claimed Lidle and finally came to an agreement before the 1 pm deadline today.Originally Posted by savafan
Oh, and when I used the term "genius" to describe Wade, I was being sarcastic. Just making sure that was clear.
Even I could tell the Reds were out of contention before the deadline.
What were the discussions like before the deadline? Thats what I'd like to know.
What's the 1 p.m. deadline today he's referring to?
It was the, "trade Lidle before he has another bad outing" deadline.
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Ah, that would make sense. Thanks.Originally Posted by Chip R
Originally Posted by Chip R
Hopefully it's Donnie Moran. That guy is a proven winner.
I wish it was Erin Moran, that way we could have a Joanie Loves Chachi bobblehead giveaway! :MandJ:Originally Posted by Terry
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I feel about this trade the way that I did about the Jones for "who" and "what" trade at the deadline: never trade major leaguers for A-ballers unless they're absolute blue-chip prospects (these two are crapola). Otherwise, all you're doing is unloading salary and undercutting your major league roster for several starts. So the Reds saved $500,000; that's the extent of this trade. Great.
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Hey, that's $500,000 that they can write a check to Dr. Kremcheck for in the future.Originally Posted by Falls City Beer
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Considering the way Lidle was pitching and the fact he wasn't coming back, this was a good deal. Why would people expect major league ready, or near major league ready players for a guy who, at best, was a #5 pitcher this year? As for the Reds undercutting the major league roster and not trading for A ballers, Lidle was KILLING this starting rotation. He had a decent start against Colorado, but the guy has been horrible, nobody really wanted him, and we weren't going to get a decent major leaguer for him. I think O'Brien did a pretty good job. Now he needs to re-sign Paul Wilson. Paul Wilson, Aaron Harang and Brandon Claussen is a pretty good nucleus for a solid rotation next year. Add the pieces from there.
The problem with that is that if you resign Paul Wilson, the "pieces" you add from there will be $1.0M filler like Lidle was = .500 team, 4th place finishes. Had enough of that.Originally Posted by Rocket_Fuel
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