But we also have an overcrowded prison system.Originally Posted by Redsfaithful
But we also have an overcrowded prison system.Originally Posted by Redsfaithful
Really? Do you have any figures? I'm not calling you out, but if I use this argument somewhere else, I'd like to have something to back it up with.Originally Posted by Redsfaithful
"It's easier to give up. I'm not a very vocal player. I lead by example. I take the attitude that I've got to go out and do it. Because of who I am, I've got to give everything I've got to come back."
-Ken Griffey Jr.
The day we let cost influence this decision will be a very sad day indeed.
We'll go down in history as the first society that wouldn't save itself because it wasn't cost effective ~ Kurt Vonnegut
I believe the cost of executing a prisoner assumes the maximum number of appeals allowable over the maximum time allowable. A prisoner can stay on death row for 20 years or so (as did the "Cincinnati Killer") and appeal many times.It costs more to execute a prisoner than it does to keep him in prison for life.
That's why I'm in favor of labor for convicted felons. Make felons contribute to society rather than living off tax dollars.
"I prefer books and movies where the conflict isn't of the extreme cannibal apocalypse variety I guess." Redsfaithful
Couldn't have said it any better.Originally Posted by RFS62
The other day the Supreme Court abolished the death penalty for minor offenders. Until they did so, the U.S. and Somalia (yep, you heard that correctly, Somalia) were the only countries that allowed this kind of barbarism to be perpetuated.
Mentally retarded people are put to death right and left in this country.
There but for the grace of God....
“And when finally they sense that some position cannot be sustained, they do not re-examine their ideas. Instead, they simply change the subject.” Jamie Galbraith
If you oppose "big government" then you should definitely oppose the death penalty.
Originally Posted by Rojo
It's obscene to me to hear the death penalty used in arguments over money.
We'll go down in history as the first society that wouldn't save itself because it wasn't cost effective ~ Kurt Vonnegut
I think Rojo's point is that the death penalty represents the most glaring of governmental interventions: the taking of a life for a crime. Government can't get much more intrusive than shutting down your organs.
“And when finally they sense that some position cannot be sustained, they do not re-examine their ideas. Instead, they simply change the subject.” Jamie Galbraith
Why? Appeals?Originally Posted by Redsfaithful
"Whatever you choose, however many roads you travel, I hope that you choose not to be a lady. I hope you will find some way to break the rules and make a little trouble out there. And I also hope that you will choose to make some of that trouble on behalf of women." - Nora Ephron
Yes. That was my point. The more authoritarian the government, the more executions.Government can't get much more intrusive than shutting down your organs.
My bad. Didn't mean to project that on you, Rojo.
We'll go down in history as the first society that wouldn't save itself because it wasn't cost effective ~ Kurt Vonnegut
Dont mean to cause a problem, or to be difficult, but i say... Kill em all.
If you kill... you shall be killed.
very matureOriginally Posted by DunnersGrl44
Of course you would disagree.Originally Posted by CbusRed
I said i wasn't trying to be difficult, that is just how i feel.
I struggle with it as well.
The death penalty has been proven to not be a deterrent. That is, the existence of a death penalty has no effect on the murder rate. So that argument doesn't hold water.
The only reason I can see it existing is for revenge, in an eye-for-an-eye Old Testament kind of way. Whether or not that is a valid reason is what I struggle with.
If my child was raped and murdered, my rage would have no bounds. I would have no doubt in my mind that the perpetrator should be dead.
Whether or not that is moral and just thing to do is a whole different question. I can't quite pull those two ends together yet.
She used to wake me up with coffee ever morning
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