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    Re: Trio Removed From Bush Social Security Town Hall Over Bumper Sticker

    When you are protecting the life of the President and in these times. IMO, it's probably a good idea to err on the side of caution. Also, IMO, these three were out for some type of attention as they posted soon after on a progressive forum. (They may have posted before the event).

    If the secret service wanted them out, they most likely had good cause.

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    Re: Trio Removed From Bush Social Security Town Hall Over Bumper Sticker

    Quote Originally Posted by Redsfaithful
    I read the article, and repeated what it said. What is the basis for your belief?
    You mean the article with spelling errors in the title?

    My basis of belief is knowledge of the operation of the Secret Service. I have two relatives involved. One a cousin who's been in for nearly 20 years, second a 2nd cousin who is in his 5th year.

    They have alot more important issues to deal with than someone who simply has a liberal bumper sticker on their car, and is doing nothing else.

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    Re: Trio Removed From Bush Social Security Town Hall Over Bumper Sticker

    You also must realize that the secret service is not politically biased. It does not change for each president. Each member must have the saftey of the president as their #1 priority. not political beliefs.

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    Re: Trio Removed From Bush Social Security Town Hall Over Bumper Sticker

    Quote Originally Posted by RedBloodedAmerican
    When you are protecting the life of the President and in these times. IMO, it's probably a good idea to err on the side of caution. Also, IMO, these three were out for some type of attention as they posted soon after on a progressive forum. (They may have posted before the event).

    If the secret service wanted them out, they most likely had good cause.
    well, if they passed through security, I don't see why the president had to be protected from them. unless the Bush Admin can't even run security at their own events which seems dubious.

    as for the possibility that these people were muckraking.... absolutely possible.

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    Re: Trio Removed From Bush Social Security Town Hall Over Bumper Sticker

    My belief isn't that the Secret Service is responsible for this stuff, b/c you are right Cbus, they do have more important things to do, and I'm sure they're very professional.

    But that doesn't mean that there aren't other folks doing this stuff.

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    Re: Trio Removed From Bush Social Security Town Hall Over Bumper Sticker

    Quote Originally Posted by CbusRed
    You also must realize that the secret service is not politically biased. It does not change for each president. Each member must have the saftey of the president as their #1 priority. not political beliefs.
    But don't they act upon the orders of whom they are trying to protect? If W or one of his people saw those people who had the bumper sticker in there couldn't they just tell the SS to get rid of them because they believe they are a risk even though they may have not done anything? Couldn't they just pick anyone out and tell the SS to get rid of them and the SS would have to do it?
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    Re: Trio Removed From Bush Social Security Town Hall Over Bumper Sticker

    Quote Originally Posted by pedro

    But that doesn't mean that there aren't other folks doing this stuff.
    So then what are we discussing? the fact that some moron posed as a SSA and kicked some people out because of a bumper sticker? who cares?

    But I assure you, if it was indeed an SSA that kicked them out, it was for solid reason.

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    Re: Trio Removed From Bush Social Security Town Hall Over Bumper Sticker

    Quote Originally Posted by Chip R
    But don't they act upon the orders of whom they are trying to protect? If W or one of his people saw those people who had the bumper sticker in there couldn't they just tell the SS to get rid of them because they believe they are a risk even though they may have not done anything? Couldn't they just pick anyone out and tell the SS to get rid of them and the SS would have to do it?
    You honestly think W would have innocent people kicked out of a function? knowing damn well it would get out into the media?

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    Re: Trio Removed From Bush Social Security Town Hall Over Bumper Sticker

    Quote Originally Posted by CbusRed
    You mean the article with spelling errors in the title?
    It's an AP article. I'm pretty sure the AP has nothing to do with the spelling of the title.

    If we want to judge credibility based on spelling you'd fail miserably by the way.

    Also, the Secret Service had nothing to do with escorting these people from the event. It was a Bush event staff member who did that, but he apparently was dressed in the manner of a Secret Service agent since the three assumed that's what he was.

    The three obviously should have asked the guy for some sort of ID, but it's an odd situation so it's easy to see why they didn't think of it.

    Again this a taxpayer funded event, and it's an event to explain a policy initiative to citizens. And we're now apparently excluding citizens from being able to see their president explain a policy initiative ... because of a bumper sticker. That's disturbing.
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    Re: Trio Removed From Bush Social Security Town Hall Over Bumper Sticker

    I just need to hear both sides of the story. I have read one side so far (what is above). And I read a quote from a gentleman who was not there as far as I can tell and is shooting from the hip.

    The Secret Service has said that they did not eject the three people. Are they lying? It may have been a extremist nut. Does the possible extremist work for the Bush administration? I don't know. If he does, then the Admin. should fire him.

    Too much "I don't knows" here to start throwing accusations around. But such is the political environment that some live in...

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    Re: Trio Removed From Bush Social Security Town Hall Over Bumper Sticker

    Quote Originally Posted by CbusRed
    You honestly think W would have innocent people kicked out of a function? knowing damn well it would get out into the media?
    You honestly think he would care?
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    Re: Trio Removed From Bush Social Security Town Hall Over Bumper Sticker

    Quote Originally Posted by CbusRed
    You honestly think W would have innocent people kicked out of a function? knowing damn well it would get out into the media?
    I don't know. I'm just asking since you said you have relatives in the SS. And it doesn't have to be W or a Republican either. When Kerry was running for President and he had SS protection, could he or one of his handlers picked out someone who they knew didn't agree with them and kick them out just for that reason justifying it as a "security risk"?
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    Re: Trio Removed From Bush Social Security Town Hall Over Bumper Sticker

    Quote Originally Posted by Redsfaithful
    It's an AP article. I'm pretty sure the AP has nothing to do with the spelling of the title.

    If we want to judge credibility based on spelling you'd fail miserably by the way.

    Also, the Secret Service had nothing to do with escorting these people from the event. It was a Bush event staff member who did that, but he apparently was dressed in the manner of a Secret Service agent since the three assumed that's what he was.

    The three obviously should have asked the guy for some sort of ID, but it's an odd situation so it's easy to see why they didn't think of it.

    Again this a taxpayer funded event, and it's an event to explain a policy initiative to citizens. And we're now apparently excluding citizens from being able to see their president explain a policy initiative ... because of a bumper sticker. That's disturbing.

    Your awesome "credible" article says nothing about it being a Bush staff member.

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    Re: Trio Removed From Bush Social Security Town Hall Over Bumper Sticker

    Quote Originally Posted by Chip R
    I don't know. I'm just asking since you said you have relatives in the SS. And it doesn't have to be W or a Republican either. When Kerry was running for President and he had SS protection, could he or one of his handlers picked out someone who they knew didn't agree with them and kick them out just for that reason justifying it as a "security risk"?
    Of course they could, but I cant see any situation as to where they would knowingly abuse their power like that.

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    Re: Trio Removed From Bush Social Security Town Hall Over Bumper Sticker

    Quote Originally Posted by CbusRed
    So then what are we discussing? the fact that some moron posed as a SSA and kicked some people out because of a bumper sticker? who cares?

    But I assure you, if it was indeed an SSA that kicked them out, it was for solid reason.
    I didn't say it wasn't someone who worked for Bush.


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