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    Wash Post: Firebrand Conservatives Want Justice Kennedy Impeached... or Dead

    Surprising that these outrageous comments haven't gotten more coverage.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...-2005Apr8.html

    And the Verdict on Justice Kennedy Is: Guilty

    By Dana Milbank
    Saturday, April 9, 2005; Page A03


    Supreme Court Justice Anthony M. Kennedy is a fairly accomplished jurist, but he might want to get himself a good lawyer -- and perhaps a few more bodyguards.

    Conservative leaders meeting in Washington yesterday for a discussion of "Remedies to Judicial Tyranny" decided that Kennedy, a Ronald Reagan appointee, should be impeached, or worse.



    Although Justice Anthony M. Kennedy was named to the Supreme Court by President Ronald Reagan, he drew the ire of conservatives at a forum on the judiciary. (Lisa Poole -- AP)

    Phyllis Schlafly, doyenne of American conservatism, said Kennedy's opinion forbidding capital punishment for juveniles "is a good ground of impeachment." To cheers and applause from those gathered at a downtown Marriott for a conference on "Confronting the Judicial War on Faith," Schlafly said that Kennedy had not met the "good behavior" requirement for office and that "Congress ought to talk about impeachment."

    Next, Michael P. Farris, chairman of the Home School Legal Defense Association, said Kennedy "should be the poster boy for impeachment" for citing international norms in his opinions. "If our congressmen and senators do not have the courage to impeach and remove from office Justice Kennedy, they ought to be impeached as well."

    Not to be outdone, lawyer-author Edwin Vieira told the gathering that Kennedy should be impeached because his philosophy, evidenced in his opinion striking down an anti-sodomy statute, "upholds Marxist, Leninist, satanic principles drawn from foreign law."

    Ominously, Vieira continued by saying his "bottom line" for dealing with the Supreme Court comes from Joseph Stalin. "He had a slogan, and it worked very well for him, whenever he ran into difficulty: 'no man, no problem,' " Vieira said.

    The full Stalin quote, for those who don't recognize it, is "Death solves all problems: no man, no problem." Presumably, Vieira had in mind something less extreme than Stalin did and was not actually advocating violence. But then, these are scary times for the judiciary. An anti-judge furor may help confirm President Bush's judicial nominees, but it also has the potential to turn ugly.

    A judge in Atlanta and the husband and mother of a judge in Chicago were murdered in recent weeks. After federal courts spurned a request from Congress to revisit the Terri Schiavo case, House Majority Leader Tom DeLay (R-Tex.) said that "the time will come for the men responsible for this to answer for their behavior." Sen. John Cornyn (R-Tex.) mused about how a perception that judges are making political decisions could lead people to "engage in violence."

    "The people who have been speaking out on this, like Tom DeLay and Senator Cornyn, need to be backed up," Schlafly said to applause yesterday. One worker at the event wore a sticker declaring "Hooray for DeLay."

    The conference was organized during the height of the Schiavo controversy by a new group, the Judeo-Christian Council for Constitutional Restoration. This was no collection of fringe characters. The two-day program listed two House members; aides to two senators; representatives from the Family Research Council and Concerned Women for America; conservative activists Alan Keyes and Morton C. Blackwell; the lawyer for Terri Schiavo's parents; Alabama's "Ten Commandments" judge, Roy Moore; and DeLay, who canceled to attend the pope's funeral.

    The Schlafly session's moderator, Richard Lessner of the American Conservative Union, opened the discussion by decrying a "radical secularist relativist judiciary." It turned more harsh from there.

    Schlafly called for passage of a quartet of bills in Congress that would remove courts' power to review religious displays, the Pledge of Allegiance, same-sex marriage and the Boy Scouts. Her speech brought a subtle change in the argument against the courts from emphasizing "activist" judges -- it was, after all, inaction by federal judges that doomed Schiavo -- to "supremacist" judges. "The Constitution is not what the Supreme Court says it is," Schlafly asserted.

    Former representative William Dannemeyer (R-Calif.) followed Schlafly, saying the country's "principal problem" is not Iraq or the federal budget but whether "we as a people acknowledge that God exists."

    Farris then told the crowd he is "sick and tired of having to lobby people I helped get elected." A better-educated citizenry, he said, would know that "Medicare is a bad idea" and that "Social Security is a horrible idea when run by the government." Farris said he would block judicial power by abolishing the concept of binding judicial precedents, by allowing Congress to vacate court decisions, and by impeaching judges such as Kennedy, who seems to have replaced Justice David H. Souter as the target of conservative ire. "If about 40 of them get impeached, suddenly a lot of these guys would be retiring," he said.

    Vieira, a constitutional lawyer who wrote "How to Dethrone the Imperial Judiciary," escalated the charges, saying a Politburo of "five people on the Supreme Court" has a "revolutionary agenda" rooted in foreign law and situational ethics. Vieira, his eyeglasses strapped to his head with black elastic, decried the "primordial illogic" of the courts.

    Invoking Stalin, Vieira delivered the "no man, no problem" line twice for emphasis. "This is not a structural problem we have; this is a problem of personnel," he said. "We are in this mess because we have the wrong people as judges."

    A court spokeswoman declined to comment.
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    Re: Wash Post: Firebrand Conservatives Want Justice Kennedy Impeached... or Dead

    I'd have to guess that these comments are not that newsworthy b/c the people talking are mouthpieces who hold no real powers. The guy making the Stalin reference is a Harvard-bred writer/speaker. He makes money by spewing fire out of his mouth. And there are enough people, unfortunately, willing to pay money for his talk. Not me! Just read the list of speakers for this forum... who, what, who-dat? Not at all newsworthy IMO. Some will try to portray these people as a true reflection of the Repub party. It is not. And the Repubs have to be careful to not lean too far in one direction. Just look at the last 6 years in this country for one of the two major parties. Leaned too far. Got burned.

    Newsworthy are the partisan comments being made by Sen. Biden & Sen. Dodd about the nomination of John Bolton as U.S. ambassador to the U.N.. Bolton said the United Nations is clearly in need of reform. He cited problems with the UN Human Rights Commission and General Assembly, saying the political will of member states was a problem. Bolton also said the scandal over the UN's administration of the oil-for-food program in Iraq revealed deep bureaucratic flaws. But that is another discussion. Sens. Biden and Dodd don't like those comments. I am still trying to figure out what is not true about those comments. At least Jacques Chirac knows that some here still think he was right before the first U.S. bomb hit Baghdad. Too bad they are Senators <sigh>. Makes me wonder if Biden & Dodd had their hands in on that Iraqi cookie jar that was making many French, Germans & Russians rich between 1992-2002?
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    Re: Wash Post: Firebrand Conservatives Want Justice Kennedy Impeached... or Dead

    Maybe I missed that day in civics class, but I thought that Supreme Court justices were on the bench for life unless they retire/resign? I don't think they can be impeached.
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    Re: Wash Post: Firebrand Conservatives Want Justice Kennedy Impeached... or Dead

    Quote Originally Posted by LawFive
    I don't think they can be impeached.
    Yes, they can be impeached.

    To date, the House of Representatives has only impeached one Justice, Samuel Chase, in 1804. There wasn't enough support in the Senate to continue on with impeachment, so he kept his seat on the court.
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    Re: Wash Post: Firebrand Conservatives Want Justice Kennedy Impeached... or Dead

    Makes me wonder if Biden & Dodd had their hands in on that Iraqi cookie jar that was making many French, Germans & Russians rich between 1992-2002?
    And several US Corporations.
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    Re: Wash Post: Firebrand Conservatives Want Justice Kennedy Impeached... or Dead

    Quote Originally Posted by LawFive
    Maybe I missed that day in civics class, but I thought that Supreme Court justices were on the bench for life unless they retire/resign? I don't think they can be impeached.
    They can be impeached for high crimes and misdemeanors which this doesn't fall under.
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    Re: Wash Post: Firebrand Conservatives Want Justice Kennedy Impeached... or Dead

    I think John Bolton's comments were more about abolishing the UN than refroming them. At least the comments he made to the ultra conservative group I heard replayed on the radio sounded that way.

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    Re: Wash Post: Firebrand Conservatives Want Justice Kennedy Impeached... or Dead

    Newsworthy are the partisan comments being made by Sen. Biden & Sen. Dodd about the nomination of John Bolton as U.S. ambassador to the U.N.. Bolton said the United Nations is clearly in need of reform
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    Re: Wash Post: Firebrand Conservatives Want Justice Kennedy Impeached... or Dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Redsfaithful
    RFA: Always willing to change the subject when a Republican says or does something ignorant.
    Don't start.
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    Re: Wash Post: Firebrand Conservatives Want Justice Kennedy Impeached... or Dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Redsfaithful
    RFA: Always willing to change the subject when a Republican says or does something ignorant.
    Nah! Repubs do say ignorant things sometimes though. I thought I'd see if if everyone was awake when I took a tangent. RBA and you were there and it almost felt like old times! I don't mean to start "trouble" though, RF. The Bolton nomination is an interesting topic/debate for sure. I miss the debates here, but it may be an ignorant thing for me to bring these subjects up.... esp. after the REDS get swept.

    On the topic of judges and impeachment. Aside from criminal activity, I think it is wrong. Judges should never be "swayed" when making a decision for any reason. Those who want to impeach today are trying to make that the standard. That is wrong and not how judges should work. They should never feel the "pressure of getting impeached" when doing their job. Within perfectly good reason of course (e.g. letting those guilty of murder go free, etc).
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    Re: Wash Post: Firebrand Conservatives Want Justice Kennedy Impeached... or Dead

    I'm not a fan of many of Justice Kennedy's opinions, but Vieira should have been denounced on the spot by the other people at the meeting. How in the world does anyone quote Joseph Stalin with approval on anything, much less use a quote which at the very least gave the implication of advocating murder?
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    Re: Wash Post: Firebrand Conservatives Want Justice Kennedy Impeached... or Dead

    The Bolton nomination is an interesting topic/debate for sure.
    So start a thread on it.
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    Re: Wash Post: Firebrand Conservatives Want Justice Kennedy Impeached... or Dead

    Some of the most ridiculous things I've ever read. Does anyone take these people seriously?
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    Re: Wash Post: Firebrand Conservatives Want Justice Kennedy Impeached... or Dead

    Quote Originally Posted by MWM
    Some of the most ridiculous things I've ever read. Does anyone take these people seriously?
    Funny you should ask that. I Googled "impeach Supreme Court" this afternoon when I was looking for the answer to the question about whether a Justice had ever been impeached. If the number of links that showed up in the first 50 on Google is any indication, there is apparently quite a vocal movement of folks who want to impeach 6 of the current justices over their rulings on "sodomy" laws.
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    Re: Wash Post: Firebrand Conservatives Want Justice Kennedy Impeached... or Dead

    The failure of the mainstream media to report on this is yet another example of its liberal bias, not. After its performance over the last few weeks it should be perfectly clear that the media does not want to offend the far right.


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