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    of the ones I have been too:

    1). Wrigley Field
    2). Yankee Stadium
    3). Comerica Park
    4). Great American
    5). Jack Murphy
    6). Jacobs Field
    7). Cinergy
    8). Busch Stadium (though Busch has the best game day atmosphere)

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    PNC was so great because of the stadium and you walk out of the game to great bars. It's in a perfect location. I loved everything about Pittsburgh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The_jbh
    Yeah everyone says they hate GAP but i've never heard many good reason. I like the place. It's not as flashy as Comercia or some of the other newer stadiums but i like the it looks from the inside. Granted my list of visited Stadiums isn't very long, Cinergy, GAP. Busch, Camden, and Arlington, but i don't think its a bad stadium. Explain what exactly is wrong with it? enlighten an ignorant one haha
    I'll be happy to give some of my reasons. But first, here is my current ranking of the ballparks I have been to:

    1. Coors Field -- Is this heaven? No, it's Colorado
    2. PNC Park -- What GABP could/should have been
    3. Yankee Stadium -- Any current ballpark that Babe Ruth has actually batted in will score major points with me
    4. Wrigley Field -- See No. 3 (However, the fact that the Cubs play here detracts from it in my book)
    5. Old Tiger Stadium -- An overwhelming majority of Tigers fans surveyed by The Detroit News earlier this year said the Tigers should ditch Comerica and MOVE BACK to old Tiger Stadium
    6. Dodger Stadium -- Simple yet beautiful baseball atmosphere
    7. Riverfront Stadium -- Like R2D2, it was ugly and utilitarian but boy did it have some character
    8. Jacobs Field -- The imposing stacks of luxury boxes ruin this park for me
    9. Comerica Park -- It looks great but something just SEEMS a little off here
    10. Old Cleveland Municipal Stadium -- Baseball wasn't meant to be played in such a monstrosity
    11. Great American Ball Park
    12. Bank One Ballpark -- Ugh

    I might lose some rep points for "being negative," but Great American Ball Park was a major disappointment. First of all, the park is three years old and it's still surrounded by a huge empty lot with mounds of dirt. There is absolutely NOTHING to do around the park on the Cincinnati side of the river, unless you consider that horrible InBetween Tavern to be Major League-quality. That's not entirely the Reds fault (not entirely but definitly somewhat -- the Reds were adamant about not building the ballpark at Broadway Commons, which would have almost certainly blossomed into a destination point had a ballpark been built there. The Reds insisted on the tired riverfront, partly to avoid the pre-game competition from the inevitable bars and restaurants that would have sprung up at Broadway, and this is what we got.) It may not seem like a big deal to some, but while some ballparks are surrounded by ESPN Zones, Hard Rock Cafes and rows of unique sports-themed bars, we have one dilapidated bar in the GABP vicinity.

    Here are some of my other problems with GABP, in no particular order:

    * We're in the third season of baseball there and they can't seem to get the grass right. The outfield is spotted with lighter green splotches of grass. It just doesn't have that lush green feel with freshly mowed lines in unique designs that some other parks have.

    * That black building in center field is atrocious. What were they thinking? Coors Field has a mountain scene with a waterfall in the same location. Other parks have trees and fountains. It's a horribly uninteresting piece of architecture and completely inconsistent with the rest of the ballpark -- but hey it makes money. (Right John Allen?)

    * The huge Great American Insurance logo atop the outfield scoreboard. Most other new parks put the team logo in huge neon atop their scoreboards -- Indians, Phillies, Rockies, Braves. The Reds put a big insurance company logo. Boring. Takes away a big hometown feeling when you really can't identify with the Reds from any permanent feature of the park besides the small "Home of the Cincinnati Reds" sign below the press box.

    * The "Hamilton County, Ohio welcomes you to Great American Ball Park" sign over the main entrance. Odd, to put it nicely.

    * I don't have a big problem with the concept of riverboat smokestacks in the outfield, but that thing doesn't look anything like what you would see on the Delta Queen or the American Queen. I like that it shoots fireworks but what are those two "eye" things? Ridiculous.

    * Only place to buy tickets is at the main ticket booth at Second and Main. If you're walking across the bridges from Newport (and that's where most of the pre and post-game activities are), you have to walk all the way around the ballpark to buy a ticket. Then, if you buy a seat in the outfield, you have to walk all the way back. Stupid.

    * The Reds said when GABP was opening that they didn't want to copy the "retro" look of some other new parks. My question is: What's wrong with that? GABP looks like they tried too hard NOT to make it look retro. Instead it looks like a new Wal-Mart. It's shiney and brand-spanking new, sure. But it's uninteresting. The main concourses are dull with not a lot to do. The upper deck concourse on the first base line looks exactly like Riverfront's red seat concourse. And try walking around the outfield concourses -- it's filled with narrow, concrete-lined passageways that really go nowhere.

    * The scoreboard graphics are lame. That faux newspaper they show before almost every batter is really unimaginative. The bugle charge sound is weak. That "GO (thump thump) GO (thump thump) GO (thump thump)" is creepy and I will take Riverfront's Mr. Reds Race any day over the current version. Seattle races boats around Puget Sound, Colorado racers start at Pikes Peak and finish at Coors Field. The three Reds racers run around cones set up on a baseball diamond.

    In short, for what GABP cost, it seems like we were seriously short-changed. It doesn't inspire any love for the game on its own (neither did Riverfront really, but it wasn't meant for that). GABP came on the heals of some great parks -- PNC, SBC Park, Safeco, Camden Yards -- so I base it by what it COULD have been.
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    Re: Rank Your Ballparks

    Great post! But im out of rep points today.

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    I can't help but agree. GAB isn't terrible, but like everything else around this organization it seems halfway done. I hate beating a dead horse, but anyone that wants to see a real ballpark go to Pittsburgh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reds/Flyers Fan
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    * That black building in center field is atrocious. What were they thinking? Coors Field has a mountain scene with a waterfall in the same location. Other parks have trees and fountains. It's a horribly uninteresting piece of architecture and completely inconsistent with the rest of the ballpark -- but hey it makes money. (Right John Allen?)

    * The huge Great American Insurance logo atop the outfield scoreboard. Most other new parks put the team logo in huge neon atop their scoreboards -- Indians, Phillies, Rockies, Braves. The Reds put a big insurance company logo. Boring. Takes away a big hometown feeling when you really can't identify with the Reds from any permanent feature of the park besides the small "Home of the Cincinnati Reds" sign below the press box.

    * The "Hamilton County, Ohio welcomes you to Great American Ball Park" sign over the main entrance. Odd, to put it nicely.


    * The Reds said when GABP was opening that they didn't want to copy the "retro" look of some other new parks. My question is: What's wrong with that? GABP looks like they tried too hard NOT to make it look retro. Instead it looks like a new Wal-Mart. It's shiney and brand-spanking new, sure. But it's uninteresting. The main concourses are dull with not a lot to do. The upper deck concourse on the first base line looks exactly like Riverfront's red seat concourse. And try walking around the outfield concourses -- it's filled with narrow, concrete-lined passageways that really go nowhere.

    * The scoreboard graphics are lame. That faux newspaper they show before almost every batter is really unimaginative. The bugle charge sound is weak. That "GO (thump thump) GO (thump thump) GO (thump thump)" is creepy and I will take Riverfront's Mr. Reds Race any day over the current version. Seattle races boats around Puget Sound, Colorado racers start at Pikes Peak and finish at Coors Field. The three Reds racers run around cones set up on a baseball diamond.

    In short, for what GABP cost, it seems like we were seriously short-changed. It doesn't inspire any love for the game on its own (neither did Riverfront really, but it wasn't meant for that). GABP came on the heals of some great parks -- PNC, SBC Park, Safeco, Camden Yards -- so I base it by what it COULD have been.

    In short i totally agree with all this.....i would have loved to have seen a big White or red "C" reds logo on top of our scoreboard that would make the ballpark look 10 times nicer. I also believe alot of the ballparks are surrounded by ESPN Zones, Hard Rocks, etc. give the ballpark some character and give people other things to do so its more of an attraction. I mean when u go to the game there is simply nothing to do other than watch a game, and like an earlier post i have looked at all the quotes and such but its just plain dull and not creative. I also hate the fact that we just had to have it put by the river. PNC was an exception walking across the bridge there to go there was amazing and when u look out from the park its a city skyline unlike the Kentucky hills here. We should have put it in Broadway Commons and had a Cincy skyline to look at. Instead we walk down thru the city look at a big whole in the ground, see the offices and the reds hall of fame/dugout store and thats about it. Our statues were so uncreative its ridiculous, you go to other stadiums and there statues have 1 person in a different section doing some sort of pose and they are built upon bricks, concrete, or something of the like. Now at GABP we have our statues all in the middle of some grass it looks horrendous :thumbdown

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    I like GABP a lot. Compared to the stadiums that I have been to, it's great.
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    Best/Worst ballparks

    Just curious what are some of the Best/worse ballparks you ever visited? I went to RFK last week and felt the place was in pretty bad shape, but had an otherwise great time in DC. Here are my lists

    Best
    1. PNC Park
    2. GAB
    3. Old Tiger Stadium
    4. Camden Yards
    5. Minute Maid Park
    6. Candlestick park
    7. Yankee Stadium
    8. Jacobs Field
    9. Wrigley Field
    10. Turner field
    11. Comerica Park
    12. Old Comisky

    * I have never been to Fenway


    Worst

    1. RFK - to be fair they had very little time to prepare for the season

    2. Cleveland Muncipal Staduim - about froze to death up there at a game in june!

    3. New Comisky - When it first opened it was pretty bland - I understand they have made some improvements

    4. Dodger Stadium - I know this might rile up the westcoast zoners but I did not find the park appealing at all! To be fair I onlty saw one game here and that was from the left field stands. I remember we had a hard time finding the park.

    5.Busch Stadium - nothing special

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    I'll add to your list (there are quite a few I haven't been to).

    Best:
    SBC (San Fran)...outstanding.
    GAB
    Camden Yards
    Yankee Stadium

    Worst:
    The Vet...looked like an empty swimming pool. Good riddance
    Shea...just awful

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    NJ's right, SBC is absolutly unbelievable.

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    Re: Merged: Best/Worst Ballparks -- Rank Your Ballparks

    I have been to 24 of the current and five of the old stadiums. I thought I put in my two cents. I have an affinity for the newer stadiums, so I have probably rated them higher.

    My dad and I are taking our 4th annual baseball trip. This year we are hitting Turner. the Trop, and Dolphins Stadium.

    1. Jacobs - I love the white steel. I get giddy every time I come into view of the stadium. Also, the Jake has the best mustard in the world.
    2. Camden Yards – the B&O warehouse make a great backdrop
    3. GABP – I know I am biased, but every time I go I get to see the Reds play.
    4. Turner – The monument grove and the outfield entrance have a great atmosphere.
    5. Coors - The entrance is one of my favorites.
    6. PNC – probably one of the best views in baseball with Roberto Clemente Bridge in the background.
    7. Dodgers - It is a classic.
    8. Kauffmann – The Dodger Stadium of the AL.
    9. Yankee – I got to see the Rocket’s first game as a 40 year old.
    10. Fenway – I saw a Zito - Lowe match up in 2002. Probably would have been higher if I have had better seats.
    11. Riverfront – this is probably higher than it should be, but going there as a kid I the 70’s and 80’s was always memorable.
    12. The Ballpark at Arlington – I love the shot of the Ballpark in the Rookie where the taxi brings Dennis Quaid there,
    13. Bank One, Phoenix – It reminds me a lot of Miller
    14. Miller, Milwaukee - It reminds me a lot of the BOB
    15. Safeco, Seattle - I missed the first half of the game, but it was one of Ichiro’s first games, so it was still exciting.
    16. Comerica, Detroit – I really like the statues in the outfield, but I g t a really bad sunburn that day.
    17. Busch – the best multi-purpose stadium.
    18. Enron / Minute Maid - Nice, but a little too quirky in the outfield.
    19. New Comiskey –I really like this one probably more than I should.
    20. Edison / Angels
    21. Qualcomm – Reminded me a lot of Riverfront.
    22. Wrigley – I know this is pretty low, but I am not the biggest fan. Every time I have gone the weather has been bad, getting there is a hassle, and it is full of Cubs fans.
    23. Pro Player/ Dolphins - It’s a football stadium. Just look at the name.
    24. Municipal, Cleveland – I got to see one of my favorite non-Reds, Reggie Jackson, hit a homerun when I was 7. I was wondering why we had to sit so far away when there where som many empty seats.
    25. Olympic – I must have gone to one of the few sellouts there in the last years.
    26. Tropicana – They try hard.
    27. Skydome – It’s GINORMOUS!
    28. Metrodome – It’s not the best place for baseball, but the teams have been decent lately.
    29. Veterans – All I can say is its gone.
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    I agree with much of what Reds/Flyer's fan has to say about GABP.

    Regarding things to do outside the stadium. It would be great if they could close down the road behind the stadium (Mehring Way?) and just make it a riverwalk with bars and restaurants. If they did that, maybe they could also put another ticket office down there so that people coming from that side don't have to walk all the way around the stadium.

    I know they probably need that road, but it would be great if they could do this. The atmosphere around the stadium is flat out embarrassing.

    The stadium itself looks incomplete. Way too much exposed concrete. The cages behind the bullpens are tacky looking. The Sun/Moon deck is a good idea (to take something from Crosley) but I would love to see an upper deck in RF, for monster blasts by Dunn and Griffey to land into. I mean, it's not like they can hit it into the river (like the Bay in SF), so why not have an upper deck to make the park more cozy. It just seems like they ran out of money towards the end and took some shortcuts. I agree that the smoke stacks and batter's eye are pretty cheesy. I remember reading a review somewhere that said the design is schizofrenic with no flow. I agree with this. Just a bunch scattered ideas that don't go together.

    The Wedge. I was disappointed with it. I like the kids zone area and the front entrance, but agree that there should be other points to enter the stadium. The entrance (steps) to the bleachers in LCF is pathetic. The first time there, I almost left the stadium (gate) thinking that's where the steps were.

    They really needed to take more of Crosley and incorporate it into the design. It was like they tried to take 10 different styles to please everyone and run with it. I know it's been copied by Houston already, but why not a terraced OF somewhere, to pay tribute to Crosley? I mean, this city has so much history and baseball tradition and it's a shame that more of that history is not incorporated into the designs of this park.

    Honestly, If I knew they were going to take this many shortcuts, I'd have preferred they put 100-150 M back into Cinergy. It was actually starting to look good.

    My ranking of stadiums I've been to:

    1. Pac Bell -SBC
    2. Jacobs Field
    3. Wrigley
    4. Cinergy (2001)
    5. Great American Ball Park
    6. Municipal Stadium
    7. Riverfront
    8. Three Rivers

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    Quote Originally Posted by BuckeyeRedleg

    The stadium itself looks incomplete. Way too much exposed concrete. The cages behind the bullpens are tacky looking. The Sun/Moon deck is a good idea (to take something from Crosley) but I would love to see an upper deck in RF, for monster blasts by Dunn and Griffey to land into. I mean, it's not like they can hit it into the river (like the Bay in SF), so why not have an upper deck to make the park more cozy. It just seems like they ran out of money towards the end and took some shortcuts. I agree that the smoke stacks and batter's eye are pretty cheesy. I remember reading a review somewhere that said the design is schizofrenic with no flow. I agree with this. Just a bunch scattered ideas that don't go together.

    The Wedge. I was disappointed with it. I like the kids zone area and the front entrance, but agree that there should be other points to enter the stadium. The entrance (steps) to the bleachers in LCF is pathetic. The first time there, I almost left the stadium (gate) thinking that's where the steps were.
    Funny you talk about making it more cozy. I brought two friends down from school for a little road trip back in April. One friend is from Cleveland and the other from San Fran. Both of them said the same thing about GABP: it looks like it got jammed into the space where it was built. It struck me because of the whole wedge site and how they put it in so close to everything else. I agree with them that compared to other newer parks, it is more like a Fenway, built up instead of out. I guess this is good because it gives upper deck fans a closer experience, but it doesn't look as appealing on the inside.

    I personally love the entrance with the statues and the terraced hill going in. Everytime I go to a game, I love how there is that nice open space with the bricks, team shop, statues, and the like where everyone kind of congregates. If only they could build an outfield entrance like Pittsburgh's, the exterior would be great. Inside, I just wish we had more neat architectural design. I mean the park is pretty much like one you would make in a video game. I love in Pittsburgh with all of the different seating areas and how busy the inside of the stadium is. With GABP, it's like the designed the whole outside, then just shoved a standard configuration on seats inside it, too boring. I do like the power stacks and the batter's eye. You have to have a black backdrop in center field so making it into a party type of area was much nicer than just a big black screen like in many parks. I also love the extras like the fanzone, HOF, and teamshop. Also, GABP has some excellent food variety compared to other parks.

    Overall, here is how I would rate my favorites (only stadiums I have toured or been to a game at):

    1.) PNC, Pittsburgh - great park, great view, just love the interior design, it's truly a complete package.

    2.) Fenway - I love the history here, and the coziness to it with the smallest attendance in the majors. With many of the new renovations set to occur, it will catch up with the current parks.

    3.) Jacob's Field - been quite a few years since I've been here, but the Indians did it right. Love the scoreboard and the picnic area in center. Also it is very fan friendly.

    4.) GABP

    5.) Wrigley - cool on the outside and gotta love the history. But the inside is rather dated from what I have heard (only walked around outside so this probably isn't a fair ranking).

    6.) Skydome - very neat design, although not very baseball friendly. I love the hotel out in the outfield and the Hard Rock restaurant was a cool feature. Not a great place to watch a game compared to newer parks though, too big.

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    Every non-Reds fan I've spoken to who has been to GABP (5 in total...I know, small sample size ) has raved about it. I just don't understand why the harshest critics are always the Reds' fans themselves.

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    GAB and the Jake are fresh in my mind, so I'll compare the two.

    The Jake is beautifully designed architecture. I was surprised by the elegant mix of steel, glass and stone.

    It's also well-placed in the city, with a great view of tall big-city buildings.

    But it also feels a little closed in, like a garden carved out of a canyon.

    The concourse at the Jake is nice. Almost mall-like.

    The scoreboard puts on an impressive show.

    But...

    I kind of like GAB's openness, even though some people would rather have a view of a dramatic skyline than of the Kentucky shoreline.

    I kind of like the way GAB's scoreboard focuses on baseball in an understated way, and is not such a logo explosion.

    But the Great American logo is kind of a flimsy billboard. It lacks character or dimension or something.

    Maybe the pitching would be better if the batter's eye wasn't such a good batter's eye. It's a big black hole of light back there.

    I wonder if you could build and rent apartments on top of it.

    The stadium "neighborhood" still suffers from the isolation of the highway, the bridges and the differences in elevation between the downtown and the riverfront.

    It's just not a natural walking around kind of neighborhood. But then, the Jake has a few nice hotels and a great footprint, but the streets around it aren't exactly a boardwalk of happenings.

    But Cincinnati's Hall of Fame is world class.


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