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    Marquette changes nickname

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    Gold: Pan it or dig it?
    Surprise decision on MU's new nickname caps debate
    By DON WALKER
    Posted: May 4, 2005

    Sensitive to those opposed to the Warriors nickname and unenthused by Golden Eagles, the Marquette University Board of Trustees on Wednesday moved in a new direction for the school's athletic teams.

    Ladies and gentlemen . . . meet your Marquette Gold.

    The surprise announcement was made by John F. Bergstrom, the chairman of the 38-member board of trustees, and university President Father Robert A. Wild, at a press conference at the Alumni Memorial Union.

    Wild said the vote in favor of Gold was unanimous. The Gold will become official in July.

    "I'm very pleased that we've chosen this direction for Marquette athletics," Wild said. "With Marquette Gold, the board has captured, I truly believe, decades of tradition in one profound term that symbolizes the high standards always met by our student athletes and our coaches."

    The decision, arrived at after a two-hour discussion, capped a yearlong debate both on campus and among Marquette alumni around the country. The board met last September and December on the often contentious topic before Wednesday's meeting at an undisclosed campus site. While many had expected that the school would not elect to bring the Warriors name back, the decision to scrap the Golden Eagles came as a surprise.

    Wild said that surveys found that fans were unenthusiastic about the Golden Eagles nickname and found it boring, weak and too common.

    Bergstrom and Wild said they knew some Marquette supporters would be unhappy with the decision not to reinstate the Warriors nickname. But both said the school had to adhere to the highest possible standards in recognizing and appreciating people of all walks of life.

    Wild said he had pondered the notion of reinstating Warriors. "But as we worked through it, we became convinced that we live in a different era than when the Warriors name was selected in 1954," he said. "The perspective of time has shown us that our actions, intended or not, can offend others. We must not knowingly act in a way that others will believe, based on their experience, to be an attack on their dignity as human beings. We cannot teach one principle about respect for human dignity in our classrooms, than fail to act by the same principle when making decisions."

    Marquette coach Tom Crean said: "To me, it was very apparent there was going to be a change, and I think it will be a very significant part of Marquette because it stands for so many good things. Like anything else with change it takes time, but I'm behind any decision that is made by this school because I know the commitment that the powers that be have to making Marquette as successful as it can possibly be."

    The Great Lakes Inter-Tribal Council, a consortium of American-Indian tribes and bands in the region, had been opposed to the possibility of the school embracing Warriors again, saying that it was an affront to American-Indians. Ray DeBerry, the president of the council and chairman of the Red Cliff band of Lake Superior Chippewas, was unavailable for comment.

    "I'm ecstatic and I'm appreciative that Marquette lived up to their ideals," said Darren J. Thompson, a member of the Lac du Flambeau Band of Lake Superior Chippewas and a junior in political science and criminology at Marquette. "Everybody at home is happy, too."

    Reaction among the MU faithful on Web sites devoted to Marquette athletics was swift and largely negative. Some commented that the decision was a copout, and the board acted in a politically correct way. Others said the board was right to move in a new direction with a new identity.

    "Our family has 9 MU grads and/or students and we are all in shock," wrote one person in a chatroom.

    "I am proud to be a graduate of Marquette and I will wear my gold colors with pride forever," another wrote.

    Wild said he didn't believe alumni would withhold donations to the university.

    Wild said the new nickname arose from discussions back in 1993-'94 when the school dropped Warriors as the team nickname and embraced Golden Eagles, and in more recent discussions.

    For the board, the new name is being promoted as a blend of the new and old athletic traditions at Marquette. Those traditions include the old Golden Avalanche nickname, the Golden Eagles and the Gold Rush, the name of the student section at the Bradley Center during men's basketball games.

    Wild also unveiled a new monogram for the school, which he said would help visually identify Marquette athletics. The new symbol will be stitched on all athletic uniforms, merchandise and will appear on the floor of the Al McGuire Court at the Bradley Center and Al McGuire Center.

    With the Gold, the school is gambling that the new nickname will be embraced by students and alumni. The timing is also important; Wild said the board knew it had to act because the school will be joining the Big East Conference beginning in July.

    Wild made brief mention of the fact that two prominent schools - Syracuse and Stanford - are clearly identified with a color. The Stanford Cardinal embrace red, while Syracuse athletes are widely known as the Orange.

    Wild also indicated the students would have a hand in selecting a mascot to represent the Gold.

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    The 'Gold' nickname will have an even shorter half-life than the 'Golden Eagles'. They really need to go back to Warriors and just change the logo to show a Norseman or Saxon warrior (or any other kind of white guy with a pointy stick) instead of a native american. Why the administration didn't take that approach in the first place has always befuddled me.

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    What a stupid new nickname.
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    Well at least they aren't Hoosiers - a person that resides in Indiana???

    I went to Indiana for 4 years and that was the best definition I got on what a Hoosier was.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Puffy
    What a stupid new nickname.
    I agree-it stinks. :thumbdown
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    Could they ride the Syracuse Orange any harder by picking a name like that? And as a 'Cuse fan I hate the change from Orangemen to Orange. The only thing worse than coming up with a lousy name is stealing the idea for your lousy name from someone else.

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    This is not without precedent in Wisconsin. Some years back, a high school there changed from an Indian nickname to the uber-inoffensive name "Purgolders." Purgolders is simply a combination of the school's team colors... purple and gold.

    More evidence that folks there take this stuff seriously? There is a state law in Wisconsin which says that state universities are not permitted to play non-conference games against opponents with Indian nicknames. If Marquette wanted to play in-state opponents, they had to abandon the Warriors nickname. "Gold" pushes them farther down the path of least resistance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danny Serafini
    Could they ride the Syracuse Orange any harder by picking a name like that? And as a 'Cuse fan I hate the change from Orangemen to Orange. The only thing worse than coming up with a lousy name is stealing the idea for your lousy name from someone else.
    I hated that change as well.
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    "Warrior" does not necessarily mean American Indian. My dictionary defines "warrior" as "One engaged or experienced in battle."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danny Serafini
    Could they ride the Syracuse Orange any harder by picking a name like that? And as a 'Cuse fan I hate the change from Orangemen to Orange. The only thing worse than coming up with a lousy name is stealing the idea for your lousy name from someone else.
    Bring back the Saltine Warrior?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RedsBaron
    "Warrior" does not necessarily mean American Indian. My dictionary defines "warrior" as "One engaged or experienced in battle."
    All of the high schools I know of who had a "Warrior" mascot use/d an Indian costume. Therein lies the issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Unassisted
    There is a state law in Wisconsin which says that state universities are not permitted to play non-conference games against opponents with Indian nicknames.
    If Wisconsin wants to be consistent about this, it should require the University of Wisconsin to withdraw from the Big Ten. Why the distinction between conference and non-conference games? Heck, the whole STATE of Illinois is named after an Indian tribe-why not prohibit Wisconsin athletic teams from even entering Illinois?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Unassisted
    All of the high schools I know of who had a "Warrior" mascot use/d an Indian costume. Therein lies the issue.
    Quit using the mascot then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RedsBaron
    "Warrior" does not necessarily mean American Indian. My dictionary defines "warrior" as "One engaged or experienced in battle."
    It doesn't at Golden State but does at Mariemont.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unassisted
    All of the high schools I know of who had a "Warrior" mascot use/d an Indian costume. Therein lies the issue.
    All they would have to do is drop the Indian and put soemone in battle fatigues as the "mascot". Shouldn't be that hard to do. I always thought this was the ultimate in trying to be PC with a nickname.


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