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    GOP Congressman Who Coined Term "Freedom Fries" Now Opposed to Iraq War

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/...ticle_continue
    French fries protester regrets war jibe

    Jamie Wilson in Washington
    Wednesday May 25, 2005
    The Guardian


    It was a culinary rebuke that echoed around the world, heightening the sense of tension between Washington and Paris in the run-up to the invasion of Iraq. But now the US politician who led the campaign to change the name of french fries to "freedom fries" has turned against the war. Walter Jones, the Republican congressman for North Carolina who was also the brains behind french toast becoming freedom toast in Capitol Hill restaurants, told a local newspaper the US went to war "with no justification".

    Mr Jones, who in March 2003 circulated a letter demanding that the three cafeterias in the House of Representatives' office buildings ban the word french from menus, said it was meant as a "light-hearted gesture". But the name change, still in force, made headlines around the world, both for what it said about US-French relations and its pettiness.

    Now Mr Jones appears to agree. Asked by a reporter for the North Carolina News and Observer about the name-change campaign - an idea Mr Jones said at the time came to him by a combination of God's hand and a constituent's request - he replied: "I wish it had never happened."

    Although he voted for the war, he has since become one of its most vociferous opponents on Capitol Hill, where the hallway outside his office is lined with photographs of the "faces of the fallen".

    "If we were given misinformation intentionally by people in this administration, to commit the authority to send boys, and in some instances girls, to go into Iraq, that is wrong," he told the newspaper. "Congress must be told the truth."
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    Re: GOP Congressman Who Coined Term "Freedom Fries" Now Opposed to Iraq War

    Takes a big man, good for him.
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    Re: GOP Congressman Who Coined Term "Freedom Fries" Now Opposed to Iraq War

    Yeah, it also takes a small mind to come up with something stupid like "Freedom Fries."

    I don't think he's a big man, I think he's a hypocrite and an opportunist. We are doing what needs to be done in Iraq.
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    Re: GOP Congressman Who Coined Term "Freedom Fries" Now Opposed to Iraq War

    While I'm not a proponent of the war in Iraq I'm no fan of France either. We all know the real reason why they didn't want us to go into Iraq and it had nothing to do with concerns for the average Iraqi citizen and loss of life. They had their fingers in the cookie jar for quite awhile just like everybody else and probably didn't relish the thought of being caught with their pants down. Not to mention the cash flow being cut off. Their government is just as corrupt as most of you on this board claim ours to be.

    That being said the idea of "freedom" fries is just stupid. I never called them that and never would, I do need to quit eating quite so many of them though, lol.

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    Their government is just as corrupt as most of you on this board claim ours to be.
    Wow. I can't believe someone just effectively called RedsZone liberal. Things have come a long way since the start of the Iraqi war.
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    Re: GOP Congressman Who Coined Term "Freedom Fries" Now Opposed to Iraq War

    Quote Originally Posted by Redsfaithful
    Wow. I can't believe someone just effectively called RedsZone liberal. Things have come a long way since the start of the Iraqi war.
    I didn't call anybody anything. As much as you guys on the left and right love to bash away on here I try my best not to get caught up in it. I made a simple observation about the French government and how they are no more noble than any other government.

    I hold no affiliation with either of the two major parties in this country, they are both severely lacking in my opinion.

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    Re: GOP Congressman Who Coined Term "Freedom Fries" Now Opposed to Iraq War

    I didn't call anybody anything.
    Sure you did, I was even helpful and quoted it in my earlier post.
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    Re: GOP Congressman Who Coined Term "Freedom Fries" Now Opposed to Iraq War

    Quote Originally Posted by Redsfaithful
    Sure you did, I was even helpful and quoted it in my earlier post.
    Well if you want to read into my post and put your slant on it I guess you could find just about anything. I wasn't around here at the beginning of the Iraq war so I don't have any idea what the board dynamics were like then which you alluded to above.

    Again, my initial comments were about the French government and how they are no better than ours or any other government. My statement about how some on this board paint our government as corrupt and evil was true. Is that point even arguable? Are you really telling me that that doesn't happen over on this side of RedsZone? That's the point you chose to attack so I guess you really feel that none of that goes on here? Anytime a conservative politician steps one inch outside the line it's like throwing a bucket of blood in a shark infested pool over here. On the flip side some over here seem to wear their rose colored glasses concerning our government. You couldn't walk them through a hospital of Iraqi kids with arms and legs blown off and convince them that we shouldnt have invaded Iraq. They would tow the company line till the end of time for good ole Mom and Apple Pie and the 4th of July. The truth, like most things is somewhere in the middle.

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    Re: GOP Congressman Who Coined Term "Freedom Fries" Now Opposed to Iraq War

    Quote Originally Posted by Redsfaithful
    Sure you did, I was even helpful and quoted it in my earlier post.
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    Re: GOP Congressman Who Coined Term "Freedom Fries" Now Opposed to Iraq War

    Quote Originally Posted by LvJ
    Amazing.
    I thought so too!
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    Re: GOP Congressman Who Coined Term "Freedom Fries" Now Opposed to Iraq War

    I wasn't around here at the beginning of the Iraq war so I don't have any idea what the board dynamics were like then which you alluded to above.
    I'd say it was 95% pro-war, at least among those that posted about it. Which was my point, I was surprised that a relative newcomer such as yourself would see the board as anything but conservative.

    I agree with you, I think the board has moved to the left quite a bit, and that the government gets attacked quite often over here nowadays. I was simply contrasting the present day to two years ago and how much it's changed.

    I don't know much about the French government, so I can't comment on that, except to say they're a favorite whipping boy of the far right, so they're probably doing something right.

    Sorry to have apparently given offense.
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    Re: GOP Congressman Who Coined Term "Freedom Fries" Now Opposed to Iraq War

    Quote Originally Posted by Redsfaithful
    I don't know much about the French government, so I can't comment on that, except to say they're a favorite whipping boy of the far right, so they're probably doing something right.
    The French government is really awful. They are right-of-center in France, but they'd be considered socialist in America. Right now, they are using state resources to lobby very aggressively in favor of ratifying an EU Constitution that most of France does not want. Why? Chirac knows that France has been a declining power since 1870 and he wants to maintain some semblance of power, even if it means doing it through Europe. I don't blame him, but as a non-French person, it upsets me.

    Domestically, they have done little to fix a bad economy. France still has the 35-hour work week along with a long period of paid vacation for all workers. Of course, these are measures aimed at masking the extent of unemployment, but French unemployment (not to mention underemployment) is still significantly worse than in the U.S.

    And then you have the cultural issues. Last year, France banned Muslim headscarves, Jewish yarmulkes, and Christian crosses from being worn by public school students. And the Muslim problem is more deeply rooted than that: unemployment is endemic among young Muslim males who then turn to crime and the Muslim population is being herded into government-subsidized ghettos, rather than gelling with the rest of the population.

    So basically, the French government is awful. Oh, and this goes without mentioning that as soon as Chirac's presidential term is up, he will be going on criminal trial for political corruption during his time as mayor of Paris.
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    Re: GOP Congressman Who Coined Term "Freedom Fries" Now Opposed to Iraq War

    Quote Originally Posted by Redsfaithful
    I'd say it was 95% pro-war, at least among those that posted about it. Which was my point, I was surprised that a relative newcomer such as yourself would see the board as anything but conservative.

    I agree with you, I think the board has moved to the left quite a bit, and that the government gets attacked quite often over here nowadays. I was simply contrasting the present day to two years ago and how much it's changed.

    I don't know much about the French government, so I can't comment on that, except to say they're a favorite whipping boy of the far right, so they're probably doing something right.

    Sorry to have apparently given offense.
    No offense taken. Sorry, sometimes my writing style may come across a little more "feisty" than I actually intend it to be. That's something I need to work on.

    I was just trying to understand your point, especially given the fact that I wasn't here during the time period leading up to the Iraq war. I really do enjoy the debate over here on both sides of the political spectrum and everywhere in between, it's some of the best thought out and well written that I have ever come across on the internet. And I found it on a baseball site, who'd a thunk it???
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    Re: GOP Congressman Who Coined Term "Freedom Fries" Now Opposed to Iraq War

    Quote Originally Posted by BillyBeaneFan
    I don't think he's a big man, I think he's a hypocrite and an opportunist. We are doing what needs to be done in Iraq.
    OK, so what needs to be done in Sudan?

    How about Ivory Coast?

    Liberia?

    Haiti?

    Uzebekistan?

    Egypt?

    Somalia?

    If you want the U.S. to be the moral policemen of the world, there's no shortage of opportunities. So, where should we go next?

    Keep in mind none of those nations have much oil, so our interest in intervening will be very low. Also, a good number of them are in Africa, and we don't care much for Africa, so that's not going to help much either.

    But at least we prevented Saddam from using all of those WMDs on us, and were able to secure those oil wells! It is, after all, what needed to be done.

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    Re: GOP Congressman Who Coined Term "Freedom Fries" Now Opposed to Iraq War

    Quote Originally Posted by registerthis
    OK, so what needs to be done in Sudan?

    How about Ivory Coast?

    Liberia?

    Haiti?

    Uzebekistan?

    Egypt?

    Somalia?

    If you want the U.S. to be the moral policemen of the world, there's no shortage of opportunities. So, where should we go next?

    Keep in mind none of those nations have much oil, so our interest in intervening will be very low. Also, a good number of them are in Africa, and we don't care much for Africa, so that's not going to help much either.

    But at least we prevented Saddam from using all of those WMDs on us, and were able to secure those oil wells! It is, after all, what needed to be done.
    I recently wrote an article in favor of intervening in Sudan. I favored the interventions in Haiti, Liberia, and Somalia. So I think I'm more consistent than you imagine.
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