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    No Loo!!!

    The Reds orginization, always messes up
    A free top 200 player in this year's draft and we still don't sign him, It doesnt suprise me though, we didn't sign Nick Markakis a couple years ago and he was a top 10 prospect, drafted 7th by Baltimore. Give all the money to Graves, Milton, and Dlo or maybe even Aurilla but not the future. Milton Loo will be a star


    Draft And Follow Update

    By Allan Simpson and John Manuel
    May 30, 2005
    San Jacinto (Texas) Junior College righthander Stephen Marek was set to become one of the hardest throwers in the 2005 draft class.

    But the Angels wouldn’t let that happen.

    The Angels, who drafted Marek last year in the 40th round, signed him in the last week of May to a bonus of $800,000. It’s the largest bonus given to the approximately 35 draft-and-follows who had signed out of junior colleges this year.

    Marek was named the most outstanding pitcher at the 2004 Junior College World Series, where the Gators finished second, and has plenty of arm strength. He hit 98 mph with his fastball during fall ball and spent most of the spring working at 92-94 mph and touching 96. His curveball often gives him a second plus pitch.

    A reliever at San Jac, Marek figured to go in the second or third round if he had re-entered the 2005 draft. The only juco player who is believed to have received a comparable signing bonus was Pirates draft-and-follow Brad Clapp, a righthander drafted in the 19th round out of Bellevue (Wash.) Community College last year. Clapp signed for a reported $350,000 bonus.

    Juco players who get significant signing bonuses frequently have one significant tool, such as Chipola (Fla.) Junior College outfielder Darren Ford, who signed for $200,000. The Brewers' 18th-round pick in 2004 completed a .306-1-32 season with 45 stolen bases for the Indians. Ford's speed is no secret, as the Major League Scouting Bureau rates him as an 80 runner on the 20-80 scouting scale.

    Other DFE tidbits:

    • North Carolina’s top JC players, righthanders Marcus Covington (Braves) and Woods Fines (Devil Rays), both signed out of Louisburg JC. Covington was one of six DFEs the Braves signed, including athletic outfielder Trevion Griffin (Wallace, Ala., JC) and hard-throwing righthander Josh Ward (Chipola, Fla., JC).

    • The Nationals locked up hard-hitting catcher Brian Peacock out of Manatee (Fla.) JC, who was expected to be picked in the first 10 rounds next week had he not signed.

    • The Devil Rays signed shortstop Jimmy Scholzen out of Dixie State (Utah), and Scholzen will now go out on a two-year Mormon mission before playing for the Rays.

    • Technically, because they didn’t go back to college, Stephen Drew and Jered Weaver count as draft-and-follow signees.

    DRAFT-AND-FOLLOW SIGNINGS

    Following are players who were under control from the 2004 draft and have signed this spring. Players had until midnight on May 31, the start of the closed period, to sign--unless they were involved in postseason play, in which case they are given a 72-hour window to sign.

    ARIZONA


    Player, Pos., School
    Round

    Stephen Drew, ss, Camden (Atlantic)
    1

    Jo Jo Batten, 2b, Middle Georgia JC
    35

    Lorenzo Church, rhp, Central Arizona JC
    38

    Eduardo Baeza, rhp, Los Angeles Valley CC
    47

    Kyler Newby, rhp, Mesa (Ariz.) CC
    50

    ATLANTA
    Trevion Griffin, of, Lurleen B. Wallace (Ala.) JC
    29

    Jamie Richmond, rhp, Texarkana (Texas) CC
    31

    Philip Britton, Olney Central (Ill.) JC
    36

    Josh Ward, rhp, Chipola (Fla.) JCC
    37

    Jesse Warren, lhp, Rockingham (N.C.) CC
    45

    Marcus Covington, rhp, Louisburg (N.C.) CC
    46

    BOSTON
    Michael Jones, of, Arizona Western JC
    25

    CHICAGO-AL
    Logan Williamson, lhp, Pensacola (Fla.) JC
    27

    Nick Walters, lhp, Dixie State (Utah) JC
    31

    CHICAGO-NL
    Jeff Culpepper, of, Gonzaga U.
    24

    Randy Brown, of, North Florida CC
    33

    CLEVELAND
    Carlton Smith, lhp, Okaloosa-Walton (Fla.) JC
    21

    Doodle Hicks, lhp, Walters State (Tenn.) CC
    28

    Jose Chavez, ss, Santa Ana (Calif.) JC
    49

    COLORADO
    Xavier Cedeno, lhp, Miami-Dade CC
    31

    HOUSTON
    Corey Bass, rhp, Pearl River (Miss.) CC
    47

    KANSAS CITY
    Gilbert de la Vara, lhp, Pima (Ariz.) CC
    15

    O.D. Gonzalez, of, Broward (Fla.) CC
    23

    LOS ANGELES-AL
    Jered Weaver, rhp, Camden (Atlantic)
    1

    Stephen Marek, rhp, San Jacinto (Texas) JC
    40

    Grant Harper, of, Los Angeles Harbor JC
    44

    Abel Nieves, 2b, Middle Georgia JC
    50

    LOS ANGELES-NL
    James Gilbert, rhp, Chabot (Calif.) JC
    33

    Jeremy Brown, of, Pratt (Kan.) CC
    37

    MILWAUKEE
    Lorenzo Cain, of, Tallahassee (Fla.) CC
    17

    Darren Ford, of, Chipola (Fla.) JC
    18

    Matt Kretzschmar, rhp, Rio Hondo (Calif.) JC
    22

    Josh Louis, rhp, Temple (Texas) JC
    42

    Derek Miller, lhp, U. of Vermont
    47

    MINNESOTA
    Walter Patton, rhp, Lincoln Land (Ill.) CC
    13

    Aaron Craig, rhp, Grayson County (Texas) CC
    28

    Daniel Berg, 3b, Texarkana (Texas) JC
    30

    Josh Land, of, Okaloosa-Walton (Fla.) CC
    38

    Danny Santiesteban, of, Palm Beach (Fla.) CC
    39

    NEW YORK-NL
    Jake Harrington, rhp, Northeastern (Colo.) CC
    36

    Jacob Ruckle, rhp, Chandler-Gilbert (Ariz.) JC
    41

    NEW YORK-AL
    Grant Duff, rhp, JC of the Sequoias (Calif.)
    31

    Michael Dunn, 1b, CC of Southern Nevada
    33

    Juan Velazquez, rhp, Grossmont (Calif.) JC
    46

    PHILADELPHIA
    Chris Raulinaitis, rhp, Sacramento CC
    28

    Alex McEnaney, rhp, Palm Beach (Fla.) CC
    34

    PITTSBURGH
    Brad Clapp, rhp, Bellevue (Wash.) CC
    19

    SAN DIEGO
    Kyle Blanks, 1b, Yavapai (Ariz.) JC
    42

    SAN FRANCISCO
    Ryan Shaver, rhp, Lower Columbia (Wash.) JC
    29

    Morgan Brinson, rhp, Kwantlen (B.C.) JC
    32

    David Quinowski, lhp, Riverside (Calif.) CC
    46

    Michael Santoro, of, Northern Illinois U.
    49

    SEATTLE
    Michael Saunders, 3b, Tallahassee (Fla.) CC
    11

    Rollie Gibson, lhp, Fresno CC
    30

    Michael Schilling, rhp, Fresno CC
    40

    Erwin Jacobo, 3b, Palm Beach (Fla.) CC
    42

    TAMPA BAY
    Woods Fines, rhp, Louisburg (N.C.) JC
    14

    Jimmy Scholzen, ss, Dixie State (Utah) JC
    18

    Matt Fields, 1b, Green River (Wash.) CC
    44

    TEXAS
    Zach Phillips, rhp, Sacramento CC
    23

    Brett Zamzow, rhp, Navarro (Texas) CC
    28

    Joe Kemp, of, Indiana U.
    42

    Kellan McConnell, rhp, Santa Clara U.
    47

    TORONTO
    Jesse Litsch, rhp, South Florida CC
    24

    WASHINGTON
    Brian Peacock, c, Manatee (Fla.) CC
    39

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    Re: No Loo!!!

    Markakis wasn't signed because he wanted 2 million from the Reds, which I felt wasn't a good deal for him. It all turned out for the best.

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    That's not true he wanted 1.75 million and the Reds offered him 1.5 million, he is Baltimore's top prospect, how did that turn out well?

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    I was pining for them to sign Loo, but we have no way of knowing how much money he was asking for. He could have been saying "give me 1-2 million" and the Reds balked.

    Although I am curious as to why the Reds were one of only six teams who didn't see fit to sign a single draft and follow. Perhaps a statement of how bad the teams draft really was?

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    Quote Originally Posted by New Fever
    That's not true he wanted 1.75 million and the Reds offered him 1.5 million, he is Baltimore's top prospect, how did that turn out well?
    1.75 million, 2 million, who cares, it could have been 1.8 million. Unless you have a big amount of cash hanging around, you can't sign him and the 1st round pick. Calling Markakis the Orioles "top prospect" is stretching it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aronchis
    Calling Markakis the Orioles "top prospect" is stretching it.
    He is according to Baseball America:
    http://www.baseballamerica.com/today...s/orioles.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by New Fever
    That's not true he wanted 1.75 million and the Reds offered him 1.5 million, he is Baltimore's top prospect, how did that turn out well?
    you're right, and it turned out that he was correct that he was worth it

    also, the Milton contract showed that we had the cash to sign not just Markakis but Bailey or even Weaver.

    tough to see the team punt on second down

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    Quote Originally Posted by princeton
    you're right, and it turned out that he was correct that he was worth it

    also, the Milton contract showed that we had the cash to sign not just Markakis but Bailey or even Weaver.

    tough to see the team punt on second down
    Uh, Markakis was the 2003 drafting period, not 04. All the Milton signing proves is that the Reds had alot of free cash during the 04-05 offseason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aronchis
    All the Milton signing proves is that the Reds had alot of free cash during the 04-05 offseason.
    it proves they had enough cash to sign Weaver

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    Quote Originally Posted by princeton
    it proves they had enough cash to sign Weaver
    True, but that doesn't mean they wanted him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aronchis
    True, but that doesn't mean they wanted him.
    that's not it, because the Reds sign guys that they don't really want all the time. Larkin signed in '04, Jimenez and probably Milton in '05. We settle.

    no, they wanted Weaver, because he was what they needed, and were scared by Weaver, because maybe he wouldn't be what they needed. The Reds are too scared to spend just a bit more to try the gourmet sauce, because maybe it'll taste like Ragu.

    so instead we buy a lot of Ragu and complain about it

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    Quote Originally Posted by princeton
    that's not it, because the Reds sign guys that they don't really want all the time. Larkin signed in '04, Jimenez and probably Milton in '05. We settle.

    no, they wanted Weaver, because he was what they needed, and were scared by Weaver, because maybe he wouldn't be what they needed. The Reds are too scared to spend just a bit more to try the gourmet sauce, because maybe it'll taste like Ragu.

    so instead we buy a lot of Ragu and complain about it
    No, that is it. You don't have a clue if they wanted Weaver or not. I don't think they did. Bailey is actually what the Reds need, though Bailey 3 years from now which was the paradox for the Reds last year. Do you go with a lesser arm who is ready to be a good pitcher now with a good chance, or the HS phenom who "may" finally give you that number 1 pitcher? Money may have helped sway the issue, but I think DanO's desire for ceiling out of his picks just follow his MO and may have been one of the few "rules" DanO put on Terry Renyolds when picking that 1st rounder. Renyolds didn't draft many HS pitchers with 1st round picks during his tenure with the Dodgers.

    We wanna act like DanO's group know what they are doing. But what if they really don't?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aronchis
    You don't have a clue if they wanted Weaver or not. I don't think they did.
    you should read those two sentences and think a little bit about them

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    So your argument is the Reds don't know what they are doing? Which everyone agrees on, but you forget that Weaver was one of the top 2 or 3 rated players in the draft. Every orginization would have took him if they didn't fear not signing him, I don't see how you can argue that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by New Fever
    So your argument is the Reds don't know what they are doing? Which everyone agrees on, but you forget that Weaver was one of the top 2 or 3 rated players in the draft. Every orginization would have took him if they didn't fear not signing him, I don't see how you can argue that.
    Based on polish and readiness to fullfill ceiling Weaver was a top 3 pick. Bailey gives the Reds a excuse why not to draft him. Why blow 4-5 million on a lesser arm when you can train a better arm for half the price. In other words, a easy out and gives rational that you selected "BPA".


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