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    Confederate ceremony in Missouri draws hundreds while others protest

    Looks like this type of activity is on the comeback trail. What next? A Nazi Memorial service?

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    JEFFERSON CITY, Mo. Hundreds of people in Missouri turned out for a Confederate memorial service that led to a protest outside of the governor's mansion.

    Governor Matt Blunt had ordered a one-day flying of the Confederate flag at the memorial site in Higginsville. He says he had been acting on the request of a state lawmaker representing the area where the service was being held.

    The memorial service included singing "Dixie" and laying roses at a Confederate monument. It's the first time the Confederate flag has flown over state property since January of 2003.



    While the service was going on, about 20 demonstrators carrying small American flags were marching up and down the sidewalks outside the governor's mansion in Jefferson City.

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    Re: Confederate ceremony in Missouri draws hundreds while others protest

    Looks like this type of activity is on the comeback trail. What next? A Nazi Memorial service?
    Funny you should ask. A couple of months ago on Hitler's birthday, a group of neo-Nazis held a birthday celebration in a German restaurant in KC. They showed up in full SS regalia. There were some nice photos in the local papers.
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    What's so new about the Nazis ? Doesn't anybody remember "Bonzo goes to Bittberg", when the Gipper layed a wreath at the memorial for some SS guys. Hey I admire the courage and determination of the Confederate army as much as the next guy, but the bottom line is they were fighting to preserve slavery and they were in rebellion against the good old USA. I guess asking for a little common sense is out of the question.

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    Re: Confederate ceremony in Missouri draws hundreds while others protest

    i still contend that the Civil War was about States Rights...taxation, slavery, and tarriffs (sp) in that order of importance. in truth, they were nearly one in the same in the South's economy. the diplorable act of slavery is just the easiest to pick up upon. mainly because of the Emancipation Proclomation which was mainly done to make sure European powers didn't give support to the Confederates.

    all that said, these guys are idiots, and it speaks volumes about Blunt and the lawmaker. but like an anti-war protester, it's their right. i still don't have to like it though.
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    I really don't get the romanticism people attach to the Confederacy. They wanted to tear America apart, regardless of how you feel about slavery. No one is going to sit here and say slavery is good. But there are some people who will scream "states rights" till they are blue in the face....

    I kind of wish the Civil War had happened when Andrew Jackson was president. He threatened to crush John C. Calhoun's Nullification Crisis with force and he was a Southern Democrat himself. If a Southern Dem like AJ had fought the Civil War instead of a Northern Republican like Lincoln, I think it would have effectively eliminated almost all of the rhetorical fodder of the pro-Confederate forces.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BillyBeaneFan
    If a Southern Dem like AJ had fought the Civil War instead of a Northern Republican like Lincoln, I think it would have effectively eliminated almost all of the rhetorical fodder of the pro-Confederate forces.
    probably...because he'd killed 'em all and started the assimilation process hard and heavy right away. instead of a 4 year war, it probably would have been a 20-month war.
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    Re: Confederate ceremony in Missouri draws hundreds while others protest

    Quote Originally Posted by Mutaman
    What's so new about the Nazis ? Doesn't anybody remember "Bonzo goes to Bittberg", when the Gipper layed a wreath at the memorial for some SS guys.
    I don't remember that, probably because President Reagan didn't lay a wreath at a memorial for some SS guys. In 1985, President Reagan accepted an invitation from West German Chancellor Helmut Kohl to make a state visit to West Germany following the Bonn economic summit. Kohl's government then produced an itinerary that included a stop at a military cemetery. Only after accepting the invitation did the Reagan administration learn that among the 2000 or so soldiers buried there were between 30 and 48 SS storm troopers. Reagan refused to embarass Kohl and did not cancel the visit, although he came under severe criticism, including private criticism from Nancy ReagAn, for going forward with the visit. No wreath was laid by Reagan at a memorial for the SS.
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    With free speech you have to take the good with the bad.
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    Another side of the arguement is that there are families of civil war dead that were no less heroes to the people of the Confederacy. Their ancestors fought and died for their cause. While popular culture seeks to marginalize their existance as biggots and racists. They were fighting for their land and their country, and their ideals. The war was not fought by aristocrat slave owners, it was fought by poor farmers, and laborers, on both sides. The soldiers of the confederacy were no less noble than those of the north.

    Slavery was and continues to be a horrible attrocity.
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    Re: Confederate ceremony in Missouri draws hundreds while others protest

    Quote Originally Posted by LoganBuck
    Another side of the arguement is that there are families of civil war dead that were no less heroes to the people of the Confederacy. Their ancestors fought and died for their cause. While popular culture seeks to marginalize their existance as biggots and racists. They were fighting for their land and their country, and there ideals. The war was not fought by aristocrat slave owners, it was fought by poor farmers, and laborers, on both sides. The soldiers of the confederacy were no less noble than those of the north.

    Slavery was and continues to be a horrible attrocity.
    Excellent post. I love to study the Civil War. One of the best and worst, most romantic and most tragic moments in our nation's history.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LoganBuck
    Another side of the arguement is that there are families of civil war dead that were no less heroes to the people of the Confederacy. Their ancestors fought and died for their cause. While popular culture seeks to marginalize their existance as biggots and racists. They were fighting for their land and their country, and there ideals. The war was not fought by aristocrat slave owners, it was fought by poor farmers, and laborers, on both sides. The soldiers of the confederacy were no less noble than those of the north.

    Slavery was and continues to be a horrible attrocity.
    No, I don't blame the rank-and-file soldiers. As they said at the time: "rich man's war, poor man's fight." You're right, they were fighting for what they knew and we can't blame them for that. Heck, one of my first ancestors to reach America was a poor Irish schoolteacher who fought for the South.

    The people I blame are these people in Missouri and thousands of others like them. The people who say the South will rise again. The people who put up Confederate flags.

    Those are the people I blame.
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    Re: Confederate ceremony in Missouri draws hundreds while others protest

    The South clearly had superior military intelligence, and still didn't win. Of course, had Lee listened to Longstreet, things may have been different. Ultimately, we just have to believe that right won out.
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    Re: Confederate ceremony in Missouri draws hundreds while others protest

    Quote Originally Posted by savafan
    The South clearly had superior military intelligence, and still didn't win. Of course, had Lee listened to Longstreet, things may have been different. Ultimately, we just have to believe that right won out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Falls City Beer
    The North had all the staying power and industrial might it needed. Progress squashed conservatism. It was only a matter of time.
    The tide of the war really changed 3 days in a small farm town in Pennsylvania in July of 1863.
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