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    Re: Sean Casey to Mets Rumor

    All a fan should be concerned about is performance on the field
    If that was the case then Sean wouldn't get all his community accolades then.

    Take those away and what you have is a Plus 30, slow, BA driven 1st baseman with limited EBH Power making more than 1/10th of the teams payroll. A team that is above average offensivly and WAY below average on the pitching side.

    Howsam would have pulled the trigger last year.

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    Re: Sean Casey to Mets Rumor

    Maldez, in a perfect world you could just enjoy things, but this isn't like that. Casey, while a nice guy and a solid player is one that, by being dealt, improve this team by a lot. He's older, and you have to care if you are trying to build for the future as this team has to strive for. And the comments about 80% of the rest of the team fitting the bill, well they don't make the money Casey makes so it's not as detrimental that they aren't dealt.

    So in short, the money, the performance and the age aren't good matches for this team.

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    Re: Sean Casey to Mets Rumor

    Quote Originally Posted by Maldez
    All a fan should be concerned about is performance on the field, and Case gets it done.
    Every regular position player except LaRue has a higher OPS than Casey. I'm concerned.

    13% of the current payroll tied up in an over 30 1B with no power while his departure would leave the way open to put Dunn at 1B and have the OF as Pena,Griffey and Kearns so we can see once and for all if Kearns is legit or a flash in the pan.

    As WOY pointed out very clearly he is very substandard for a #3 hitter and the smiles and hugs just haven't shown up in the W colum yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc D
    Don't forget Freel, Randa and Lopez. So lets see thats 6 of the 8 regulars who have a higher OPS than our #3 hitter.

    Casey also boasts 3 HR's and 28 RBI's from the 3 hole while having the best OBP leadoff hitter in the NL in front of him. At 8M+ and still having trade value he needs to go asap. The mayor routine is nice but it doesn't seem to be helping us win any more games.
    Right - I was just trying to compare him with his OF/1B peers where the Reds have a surplus.
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    Re: Sean Casey to Mets Rumor

    Maldez, it's not just one individual thing that makes Casey the best of the bunch to trade. All the factors that have been listed in this thread make it the prudent thing to do. Frankly, if Junior were tradeable, he'd have been gone by now. Unfortunately, his health issues and large contract make it unlikely for us to move him. Stay tuned though, perhaps that changes this year. Knowing the reality of having to keep Junior, Casey becomes the next logical choice. The fact is there are 5 talented players with only 4 spots to give them. The Reds are in no position to have any of them, particularly a young one with high upside, sitting on a regular basis.
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    Re: Sean Casey to Mets Rumor

    At this point I would rather they trade Casey and keep Griffey because they can get more for Casey and at least Griffey is hitting with power and driving runs in. Plus should Griffey continue to play he could probably be moved at the deadline.

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    Re: Sean Casey to Mets Rumor

    I would do the deal in a heartbeat. Casey isn't getting any younger or cheaper. Meinkewiecz(or howver you spell it) is a ecent avg guy with a little more pop than casey, plus he can flat out pick it.
    I can't see us getting all three of those pitchers. I would take Pettit and Heilman over Seo.

    come on DanO
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    Re: Sean Casey to Mets Rumor

    Quote Originally Posted by Maldez
    Let the GM worry about that
    Where to start with this one?
    Last edited by OldXOhio; 06-11-2005 at 12:43 PM.
    Originally Posted by nate
    Chapman can be downright pornographic at times.

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    Re: Sean Casey to Mets Rumor

    Quote Originally Posted by Maldez
    Let the GM worry about that.
    As a respected fellow Redszoner said a while back, I wouldn't let the FO order me a quarter-pounder w/cheese at this point. How can we trust DanO and Allen to deal with the finances of this team. Do you trust them to maximize every dollar they are allowed to spend? i don't

    The fact of the matter is that paying Sean Casey $7.8 million a year is like interviewing Rick Soloman on TV. It just shouldn't be done. Casey is a great guy, we all know that, but you can't justify paying him $7.8 million a year. As a middle-market team, the Reds need to maximize EVERY dollar they spend. If the do the trade, the save almost 4 million dollars. That can be used to lock up Harang for a few years. Get Heilman and Pettit and that is maximizing your money.
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    Re: Sean Casey to Mets Rumor

    Quote Originally Posted by guttle11
    I would do the deal in a heartbeat. Casey isn't getting any younger or cheaper. Meinkewiecz(or howver you spell it) is a ecent avg guy with a little more pop than casey, plus he can flat out pick it.
    I can't see us getting all three of those pitchers. I would take Pettit and Heilman over Seo.

    come on DanO
    not to say I wouldn't trade casey but Meinkewiecz does not have more pop than Sean Casey, as sad as that may be. DM does have more HR's this year thusfar than SC, but that is an anomoly.
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    Re: Sean Casey to Mets Rumor

    Who says, Griffey would even accept a trade, 10/5 rule?

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    Re: Sean Casey to Mets Rumor

    Quote Originally Posted by New Fever
    Who says, Griffey would even accept a trade, 10/5 rule?
    Do you mean Casey?? Casey isn't a 10/5 player since he hasn't been in the BIGS for 10 years
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    Re: Sean Casey to Mets Rumor

    Quote Originally Posted by RFS62
    I am and have been one of Seans biggest supporters. But I think the front office sees him as more than a player. He's the face of the Reds, and tremendously popular with the fan base.

    Regardless, he makes more money than we can afford for his production.
    This seems to be the core gripe with Casey as I read through these posts. Most guys are saying "Yeah, Sean's a decent player, but we should be getting more bang for our buck with the salary he's making".

    Might be. Not sure what the "typical production" is for a $7+ million a year guy. I know Casey consistently hits over .300 and has some pop in his bat.

    But then there's the intangibles. Sean's got a certain charisma that you just can't put a dollar value on. I don't know if there's a better guy you'd want to build your clubhouse around, because Case is a guy that other players love playing with, and playing hard. Most fans see this, and come to the ballpark to watch Sean and his buds havin' fun on the field.

    Hasn't been a whole lot of fun this year, but that's mostly because the pitching has been such a disaster.

    I'd really, really hate to see the fun-lovin' Sean Casey get traded away for some stone-faced nobody that the front office thinks might put up better numbers.

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    Re: Sean Casey to Mets Rumor

    Quote Originally Posted by Maldez
    Most fans see this, and come to the ballpark to watch Sean and his buds havin' fun on the field.
    I would offer a bet people would rather come see the team win and could care less how much fun Sean and his buds were having.

    Quote Originally Posted by Maldez
    I'd really, really hate to see the fun-lovin' Sean Casey get traded away for some stone-faced nobody that the front office thinks might put up better numbers.
    I'd take a stone faced 1B that was younger, cheaper and put up 35HR and 120 RBI's in a heartbeat.

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    Re: Sean Casey to Mets Rumor

    As was suggested above, this is not realistic.

    If the Mets took on Casey's guaranteed $8.5 salary for next year, then they'd probably send us Mientkiewicz (who has a $450,000 buyout for next year) rather than a prospect.

    The Reds could put that money toward signing Dunn long term if they're smart, or toward another distaster like Milton, if they're not smart.
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