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    Re: I hate to say it, but it's time for Dunn to go.

    Some of you guys say that Dunn will eat up to much money next year. Well next year he will make somewhere around 8 millon dollars, if you trade Caseys 8.5 millon dollar salary you can use that to sign Dunn, that way you solve the 4 outfielders problem and get rid of Casey's salary. So it would all even out.

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    Re: I hate to say it, but it's time for Dunn to go.

    Quote Originally Posted by forfreelin04
    If OBP is so important to everyone why does it show me that overall Dunn is better at getting on base, but in combination with left handed pitching he isn't better than Sean Casey? A guy that rarely walks?
    Because you're not using it correctly???
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    Re: I hate to say it, but it's time for Dunn to go.

    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny Footstool
    What's the point of combining them, though? Where's the logic in placing higher value on fewer opportunities?
    Because everyone forgets situations. Dunn is going to face alot of left handed relief pitching if he continues to struggle against them. However, Casey slumps against neither. He doesn't do better than Dunn overall, but in example like those I have given it doesn't necessarily tell the whole story like you'd think it would. It's like telling me who the murderer was, but not telling me who he murdered or maybe not telling me it was self defense. Those details are sometimes even more important than who the murderer was. Same can be said for Dunn, he looks like he is great at OBP which he is but compiling in his poor OBP against lefties make him look not as great. Dunn will be benched against left handed hitting giving Casey more of an opportunity to do well but also to struggle. So in regards to opportunity Casey would actually get more chances but also a chance to hurt is OBP. If Dunn is continually batting against righties and not lefties as much, he has a much better chance of putting good numbers of overall. It will be interesting to see if Narron will continue where Miley left off in regards to playing Dunn against lefties.

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    Re: I hate to say it, but it's time for Dunn to go.

    Because everyone forgets situations.
    Nope, these folks don't

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    National League Adjusted Equivalent Average Leaders
     Name                 Team-Lg                  Pos  Out   PA    EQA    EQR   RAR   RAP   RARP
    DERREK LEE              CHI-N                   1B   157. 297.  0.380   70.1  50.2  37.4  46.1
    CARLOS DELGADO          FLA-N                   1B   161. 280.  0.349   58.0  37.6  24.4  33.4
    BOB ABREU               PHI-N                   RF   174. 309.  0.339   58.2  36.1  24.1  33.2
    ALBERT PUJOLS           STL-N                   1B   178. 309.  0.335   58.0  35.4  20.9  30.8
    NICK JOHNSON            WAS-N                   1B   168. 292.  0.331   52.9  31.6  17.8  27.2
    MIGUEL CABRERA          FLA-N                   LF   168. 274.  0.325   50.7  29.4  18.2  26.9
    BRIAN GILES             SD_-N                   RF   173. 293.  0.324   51.8  29.8  18.1  27.1
    ADAM DUNN               CIN-N                   LF   173. 282.  0.317   49.0  27.1  15.2  24.2
    LUIS CASTILLO           FLA-N                   2B   115. 196.  0.315   32.0  17.4  11.2  16.7
    JASON BAY               PIT-N                   LF   181. 295.  0.314   50.1  27.2  15.6  24.8
    J.D. DREW               LA_-N                   RF   169. 280.  0.312   45.9  24.5  13.5  22.1
    MOISES ALOU             SF_-N                   RF   133. 224.  0.311   35.9  19.0  10.1  16.9
    PAT BURRELL             PHI-N                   LF   157. 262.  0.311   42.4  22.5  12.1  20.1
    JEFF KENT               LA_-N                   2B   179. 285.  0.310   47.8  25.1  15.3  24.0
    JIM EDMONDS             STL-N                   CF   141. 231.  0.308   37.2  19.3  10.9  17.9
    DAVID WRIGHT            NY_-N                   3B   165. 267.  0.308   43.6  22.7  12.6  20.9
    ROB MACKOWIAK           PIT-N                   3B   131. 214.  0.304   33.5  16.8   9.2  15.6
    REGGIE SANDERS          STL-N                   LF   143. 221.  0.303   36.0  17.9   8.1  15.5
    CHASE UTLEY             PHI-N                   2B   133. 211.  0.302   33.4  16.6   8.7  15.3
    RYAN KLESKO             SD_-N                   LF   165. 261.  0.300   40.6  19.7   8.5  17.1
    Equivalent Average. A measure of total offensive value per out, with corrections for league offensive level, home park, and team pitching. EQA considers batting as well as baserunning, but not the value of a position player's defense. The EqA adjusted for all-time also has a correction for league difficulty. The scale is deliberately set to approximate that of batting average. League average EqA is equal to .260. EqA is derived from REqA, which is (H + TB + 1.5*(BB + HBP + SB) + SH + SF) divided by (AB + BB + HBP + SH + SF + CS + SB). REqA is then normalized to account for league difficulty and scale to create EqA.

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    Re: I hate to say it, but it's time for Dunn to go.

    Good stat to have BUT....
    What about left handed pitching?

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    Re: I hate to say it, but it's time for Dunn to go.

    Yeah the example sucked your right. But I was trying to explain how if you added the OBP pct Dunn and Casey have against LHP and RHP together you would come up with a different number than OBP against all pitchers.

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    Re: I hate to say it, but it's time for Dunn to go.

    Quote Originally Posted by forfreelin04
    Yeah the example sucked your right. But I was trying to explain how if you added the OBP pct Dunn and Casey have against LHP and RHP together you would come up with a different number than OBP against all pitchers.
    Math doesn't work that way.
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    Re: I hate to say it, but it's time for Dunn to go.

    Try it yourself

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    Re: I hate to say it, but it's time for Dunn to go.

    I think Dunn being traded to the Angels could really be a possibility (I hope so.... I'm an Angels fan ).

    Here's the factors:

    1. Angels have money they aren't afraid to spend (or take on extra contract)

    2. The Angels have a terrific minor league system. One that could be the best in all of the majors (they have the quality prospects the Reds deserve to get in return).

    3. The Angels have been looking to move Jarrod Washburn who would be a nice addition to the Reds (won't happen if Escobar keeps getting hurt though). Washburn + Prospects for Dunn could be a possibility.

    4. Angels are in desperate need of a DH/LF (so they can DH Garret Anderson some games while playing him in left during others).



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    One last note though. If I were a Reds fan I would most definently not want Dunn traded. The guy is quite simply the face of the Reds right now. However if he was traded I really feel the Angels would be the organization that would fit (for the Reds needs and Angels needs).


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