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    CIA has 'excellent' idea where bin Laden is

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050619/...ty_cia_goss_dc

    WASHINGTON (Reuters) -
    CIA Director Porter Goss said he has an "excellent" idea where
    Osama bin Laden is hiding, but the al Qaeda leader will not be brought to justice until weak links in counterterrorism efforts are strengthened, Time magazine reported on Sunday.

    In his first interview since becoming head of the CIA last year, Goss also told the magazine the insurgency in
    Iraq was not quite in its last throes, but close to it.

    Goss did not say where he believed bin Laden was hiding, but intelligence experts have said the al Qaeda leader who has evaded an extensive U.S.-led manhunt is probably in the border region of Pakistan and
    Afghanistan.

    "I have an excellent idea of where he is. What's the next question?" Goss said in the interview.

    "In the chain that you need to successfully wrap up the war on terror, we have some weak links. And I find that until we strengthen all the links, we're probably not going to be able to bring Mr. bin Laden to justice," Goss said. "We are making very good progress on it."

    He cited some of the difficulties as "dealing with sanctuaries in sovereign states, you're dealing with a problem of our sense of international obligation, fair play."

    Goss added, "We have to find a way to work in a conventional world in unconventional ways that are acceptable to the international community."

    Al Qaeda could strike the United States again, he said. "Certainly the intent is very high. And we are trying to stay ahead of their capability. And so far, I think we have done pretty well carrying the war to them, as it were," Goss said.

    Bin Laden and his deputy, Ayman al-Zawahri, sporadically release taped messages that have been broadcast on Arab television or on the Internet since the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks. Intelligence experts say the messages are partly to reassure followers that the leaders are still alive.

    In the most recent message, a videotape broadcast by Arabic television Al Jazeera on Friday, Zawahri said reform in Muslim countries and "expelling the invaders" could not be accomplished except by fighting.

    Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, a key figure behind the insurgency in Iraq, is aligned with al Qaeda.

    Vice President
    Dick Cheney has said the insurgency was in the "last throes."
    President Bush says it would be wrong to set a timetable for withdrawing U.S. forces from Iraq and that they will stay until local security forces are trained to take over.

    Goss said, "I think they're not quite in the last throes, but I think they are very close to it. And I think that every day that goes by in Iraq where they have their own government and it's moving forward reinforces just how radical (the insurgents) are and how unwanted they are."

    Sen. John McCain (news, bio, voting record), an Arizona Republican, said on Sunday that he did not believe that the insurgency was in the last throes.

    "I don't think Americans believe that we should cut and run out of Iraq by any stretch of the imagination. But I think they also would like to be told, in reality, what's going on," McCain said on NBC's "Meet The Press."

    "I think part of that is it's going to be at least a couple more years," he said.

    Goss expressed relief the new director of national intelligence, John Negroponte, was taking over what previously had been some of the key functions of the CIA director. "I would almost equate it to getting rid of a 60-pound back sack, climbing up a big, steep trail," Goss said.

    He said he planned to stay as CIA chief for a while.

    "We've got a lot to do. We're in the process of rebuilding here. I think this is our moment. I'm going to be here as long as the moment lasts. And I think it is going to last a while because we have the opportunity to build," he said.
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    Re: CIA has 'excellent' idea where bin Laden is

    Quote Originally Posted by savafan
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050619/...ty_cia_goss_dc

    WASHINGTON (Reuters) -
    CIA Director Porter Goss said he has an "excellent" idea where
    Osama bin Laden is hiding, but the al Qaeda leader will not be brought to justice until weak links in counterterrorism efforts are strengthened, Time magazine reported on Sunday. .
    Can somebody explain to me what this means. What are "weak links in counterterrorism efforts"? If we have an "excellent" idea where OBL is, why don't we just go get him? Why do "weak links in counterterrorism efforts" prevent us from just going and get him if we have an "excellent" idea where he is?

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    Re: CIA has 'excellent' idea where bin Laden is

    It does appear to be in its last throes.

    War News for Sunday, June 19, 2005

    Bring 'em on: Correspondent for television channel Al Arabiya seriously wounded in Baghdad.

    Bring 'em on: Two Iraqi soldiers and one civilian killed and thirteen others injured in suicide bomb attack on a checkpoint in Tikrit.

    Bring 'em on: Two Iraqi policemen killed in a raid on their patrol in western Baghdad.

    Bring 'em on: Nine coalition troops reported killed in mortar attack in Fallujah.

    Bring 'em on: Casualties reported after car bomb attack outside Shia mosque in Baghdad.

    Bring 'em on: Two Iraqi police officers killed by gunmen in northern Baghdad.

    Doctors go on strike in Baquba: Doctors at the main hospital in Baquba, north of Baghdad, have gone on strike, saying they are fed up with constant abuse at the hands of aggressive Iraqi police and soldiers.

    More on Operation Whack a Mole: "It's like hunting birds," said Colonel Steve Davis of the U.S. Marines as he surveyed the ruins of what he said was an insurgent base in Karabila on Saturday. "You shoot a few, the rest fly away. You shoot a few again, the rest fly away again."

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    Re: CIA has 'excellent' idea where bin Laden is

    Quote Originally Posted by Mutaman
    Can somebody explain to me what this means. What are "weak links in counterterrorism efforts"? If we have an "excellent" idea where OBL is, why don't we just go get him?
    From the article:
    He cited some of the difficulties as "dealing with sanctuaries in sovereign states

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    Re: CIA has 'excellent' idea where bin Laden is

    Quote Originally Posted by savafan

    He cited some of the difficulties as "dealing with sanctuaries in sovereign states, you're dealing with a problem of our sense of international obligation, fair play."
    What does this mean? That we can't go grab Osama because he's in a sovereign state? Let's be honest, he means Iran. What happened to the tough talk of taking on all terrorists and any country that harbors them? If Osama is in Iran then go get him. Oh wait a minute we are already stretched too thin as it is because of the disaster just to the west of Iran.

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    Re: CIA has 'excellent' idea where bin Laden is

    For those who wonder why we aren't doing this or that - things happen every day that never make the news.

    And Porter Goss needs to keep his mouth shut. If I went to the press and said the crap he said I would be clearanceless within hours.
    Last edited by creek14; 06-19-2005 at 09:11 PM.
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    Re: CIA has 'excellent' idea where bin Laden is

    Thanks Creek.
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    Re: CIA has 'excellent' idea where bin Laden is

    he's in crawford clearing brush with GW for minimum wage
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    Re: CIA has 'excellent' idea where bin Laden is

    Well, not really. He's 6'5" and needs dialysis.

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    Is he really 6"5'? Here I thought he was some tiny guy.
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    Re: CIA has 'excellent' idea where bin Laden is

    Quote Originally Posted by Mutaman
    Well, not really. He's 6'5" and needs dialysis.
    I'd love to kidney punch him sometime. Not really a contribution to the thread topic, just a thought.

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    Re: CIA has 'excellent' idea where bin Laden is

    Quote Originally Posted by TC81190
    Is he really 6"5'? Here I thought he was some tiny guy.
    He's huge, really.
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