Randa, 35 and a one year contract
EE, 22 and ready for the majors
Your feeling you had about this thread was going to go wasnt unfounded. Its a very bad idea to latch onto Randa over EE especially with how this season has gone.
EE might not be Arod but lets not throw away the unknown for Randa. No offense to Randa who is a fine ballplayer.
speaking for puffy a bit here, because I feel/felt similarly about the Randa signing as he did (not quite as fervently though). What you said right there is the exact reason TO hate the Randa signing. The fear that the nattering nabobs of inaction would begin to view him not as a bridge to EE, but as the future at third.Originally Posted by RFS62
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REDREAD, we're not too far apart. If you could get something other than Tim Hummels, Reggie Taylors and Jason Romanos for Randa (and they were pitching ! ! ) , ok then you can certainly look at doing it. But I fear the same as you noted that the Reds would get lowballed and have his age working against him in trade value etc.......
No Randa is not the "future", but if he WANTS to NOT move to another team again, he sure seems to hit well in GABP and brings loads of intangibles/consistency to a team that is screaming for those things. No reason he can't be productive for a few more years..... he has the type of game that isn't heavily reliant on athleticism, optimal "bat speed" or "leg speed" etc.... he has a SMART, solid game.
Reds starting infield in 2006
3B - Randa
SS - Machado
2B - Aurilia
1B - Casey
Hey! That's my line!
However, I prefer inert incompetents of inaction.
She used to wake me up with coffee ever morning
sorry, I should have credited youHey! That's my line!
However, I prefer inert incompetents of inaction..
Figured my modifications fit the "artistic license" criteria
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Ooooo, a nattering nabob reference. Me likey.
I guess I never saw him as anything other than a bridge to EE. On the other hand, I never in my wildest dreams thought Aurilia would be anything but a utility player, much less taking the shortstop position from FeLo.
So, if you're right, I will have once again underestimated the nabobitude of our esteemed front office and I will gladly grab my pitchfork and torch and head to Fountain Square to join you and Puffy.
We'll go down in history as the first society that wouldn't save itself because it wasn't cost effective ~ Kurt Vonnegut
He's with the team now, and his intangibles/consistency are not adding up to wins. How would that be any different if we keep him around?and brings loads of intangibles/consistency to a team that is screaming for those things.
"Rounding 3rd and heading for home, good night everybody"
I'll betcha a contending team would give up way too much at the deadline for Joe Randa.
The Reds are stupid, but hopefully not stupid enough to hold onto Randa.
I had these same hopes last season, though.
"Baseball players are smarter than football players. How often do you see a baseball team penalized for too many men on the field?" ~ Jim Bouton
Yup.
"Baseball players are smarter than football players. How often do you see a baseball team penalized for too many men on the field?" ~ Jim Bouton
Yeah he doesn't project for power at all. 12 HR's this year, his first in AAA. 249 AB's a .295 BA, .369 OBP, and a .510 SLG
quite frankly, the kid can rake. And he is only 22. Power is usually the last tool to develop, but he seems to have the OB thing down pretty well. Not a Freel or Dunn OB, but above average. He has 16 doubles, and 6 SB's, so he can run a bit too. I'd project his near future to be a 25-30 HR guy, with that expanding to be a 30-35 HR guy after a couple of years. Kinda McGriff like, except at the other end of the field.
Randa is 35 years old. He is not a guy you build around, and EE is playing at a higher level at a younger age than Randa ever did.
Randa has had a great year. Now flip him before it is too late.
Dubito Ergo Cogito Ergo Sum.
But Randa's more expensive and older. He is going to decline in the next couple years. We will be lucky enough if he keeps up what he is doing now the rest of the season. I'm sorry but I have my doubts there. As far as EE goes, maybe we should give some comparable numbers.
Joe Randa
Code:Age Lvl AB 2B HR RBI BB SO AVG OBP SLG OPS 21 A 275 20 11 59 46 29 0.338 0.435 0.545 0.980 22 A 189 7 1 12 12 21 0.275 0.323 0.328 0.651 22 A 266 13 5 43 34 37 0.301 0.383 0.406 0.789 23 AA 505 31 11 72 39 64 0.295 0.350 0.442 0.792 24 AAA 455 27 10 51 30 49 0.275 0.324 0.409 0.733 25 AAA 233 10 8 33 22 33 0.275 0.342 0.438 0.780
Aaron Boone
EECode:Age Lvl AB 2B HR RBI BB SO AVG OBP SLG OPS 21 Rk 256 15 7 55 36 35 0.273 0.367 0.453 0.820 22 A 395 19 14 50 43 77 0.261 0.338 0.420 0.758 22 AA 66 3 0 3 5 12 0.227 0.287 0.273 0.560 23 AA 548 44 17 95 38 77 0.288 0.339 0.487 0.826 24 AAA 476 30 22 75 40 81 0.290 0.349 0.508 0.857
Notice he is doing this all at younger ages. Also looking at this year, some of those doubles are already translating into more HRs. That's why it is very important to look at the number of 2bs a prospect has, because they tend to translate to increased power in the majors. The only difference is that he strikeouts more, and we all know your feelings about that, so lets not get into it here.Code:Age Lvl AB 2B HR RBI BB SO AVG OBP SLG OPS 18 Rk 211 8 5 26 15 29 0.261 0.315 0.389 0.704 18 A 170 9 4 25 12 34 0.306 0.356 0.453 0.809 18 A 37 2 1 6 1 5 0.162 0.192 0.297 0.489 19 A 517 32 17 73 40 108 0.282 0.339 0.458 0.797 20 A 215 15 6 29 24 32 0.321 0.387 0.484 0.871 20 AA 254 13 5 36 22 44 0.272 0.331 0.390 0.721 21 AA 469 35 13 76 53 79 0.281 0.352 0.443 0.795 22 AAA 241 16 12 46 28 47 0.295 0.369 0.510 0.879
Last edited by rdiersin; 06-20-2005 at 11:05 AM.
There is little question about the offensive ability of EE. Now if someone wanted to question if he if up to the challenge defensively at this point, they could most likely make a good argument.
He may very well be, but then again, he may not. The thing is, we won't know unless the Reds bring him up and give him some at bats against ML pitchers. The practice of not bringing guys up so as not to start their arb. clock and then handing them a starting job in the majors with no experience hasn't worked here in Cincinnati.
My dad got to enjoy 3 Reds World Championships by the time he was my age. So far, I've only gotten to enjoy one. Step it up Redlegs!
Of course he is, he has 3 SFs already this year.
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