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    Bernie Carbo, The Reds first draft and Austin Kearns

    In 1965 the first amateur draft was held in New York. The Reds first round draft choice was Bernie Carbo a High School star in Michigan, their second round choice was Oklahoma’s Johnny Bench.

    Thirty three years later in 1998 the Reds first round draft choice was Kentucky High School Star Austin Kearns, in the second round the Reds chose Texan Adam Dunn.

    Unlike Kearns, Carbo was a left handed hitter, but a pure hitter who hit the scene in 1970 with a bang.

    How big of a bang? Platooning with RH hitter Hal McRae, Carbo came to the plate 476 times that year, seeing less than 30 at bats against a left handed pitcher. He had an ungodly .310/.454/.551/1.004 line with tremendous RISP numbers to the tune of .325/.532/.566, plus 3 months with a slg% above .620 and 5 months with an OB% over .410.

    For players with 300 plate apperances or more Carbo was 3rd in the league in runs created per game, a hair behind McCovey and Rico Carty. The twenty two year old had an impressive 9.95 RC/27, which is the 2nd best for players 22 and under (best 22 year old) since divisonal play began in 1969

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    RUNS CREATED/GAME             YEAR    RC/G      OPS      OWP      AGE    
    1    Alex Rodriguez           1996    10.08    1.045     .755       20   
    2    Bernie Carbo             1970     9.95    1.004     .773       22   
    3    Albert Pujols            2001     8.77    1.013     .717       21   
    4    Ken Griffey Jr.          1991     7.94     .926     .734       21   
    5    Albert Pujols            2002     7.79     .955     .714       22   
    6    Vladimir Guerrero        1998     7.68     .960     .717       22   
    7    Austin Kearns            2002     7.54     .907     .646       22   
    8    Cesar Cedeno             1972     7.51     .921     .709       21   
    9    Alex Rodriguez           1998     7.38     .919     .660       22   
    10   Tim Raines               1981     7.34     .829     .731       21   
    11   Rickey Henderson         1980     7.27     .820     .725       21   
    12   Johnny Bench             1970     7.14     .932     .649       22   
    13   Cesar Cedeno             1973     7.06     .913     .712       22   
    14   Rickey Henderson         1981     6.90     .845     .742       22   
    15   Bob Horner               1979     6.83     .898     .616       21   
    16   Ken Griffey Jr.          1992     6.78     .896     .680       22   
    17   Scott Rolen              1997     6.73     .846     .621       22   
    18   Adam Dunn                2002     6.70     .854     .595       22   
    19   Wil Cordero              1994     6.64     .853     .591       22   
    20   Cal Ripken               1983     6.57     .888     .664       22
    All this wasn’t new to Carbo his 1969 season in Indy saw him lead the league in hitting with a .358 BA and he also knocked 60 EBH, he also wasn’t all batting average drawing an impressive 91 walks in Asheville in 1968, all while delivering 47 EBH in the year of the pitcher..

    The future for Carbo looked incredible (even despite his attempt to score in the World Series in the “Hendricks Play") he even won the Rookie of the year award that season… the man picked by the Reds after him in the 1965 draft won the MVP that year.

    A year and a half later after a miserable 330 at bats, a 1971 benching and a horrible spring in 1972 Bernie had a pitiful .215/.339/.325/.666 line.

    For this he was flipped to the Cardnials in May of 1972, soon to be a thorn in the Reds side during the 1975 World Series and a character who finds his way into “this dumb ballplayer” stories around MLB in the mid 70’s.

    1998 First Round pick Austin Kearns also arrived with a bang; in the wake of fellow draftee Adam Dunn in the spring of 2002. Though an injury cut his season short, Kearns produced the 2nd highest RC/27 for a Reds player 22 or younger in post war major league ball.

    Code:
    RUNS CREATED/GAME             YEAR    RC/G      OBA      SLG      OPS      AVG      EBH
    1    Bernie Carbo             1970     9.95     .454     .551    1.004     .310       43
    2    Austin Kearns            2002     7.54     .407     .500     .907     .315       40
    3    Frank Robinson           1957     7.44     .376     .529     .905     .322       63
    4    Frank Robinson           1956     7.43     .379     .558     .936     .290       71
    5    Vada Pinson              1961     7.28     .379     .504     .883     .343       58
    6    Vada Pinson              1959     7.22     .371     .509     .880     .316       76
    7    Johnny Bench             1970     7.14     .345     .587     .932     .293       84
    8    Adam Dunn                2002     6.70     .400     .454     .854     .249       56
    9    Frank Robinson           1958     6.32     .350     .504     .854     .269       62
    10   Johnny Bench             1969     6.20     .353     .487     .840     .293       50
    After a hot start in 2003 a game of Buck-Buck with Ray King curtailed Kearns 2003 season. This was a shame since the season was looking good for Kearns with a robust BA driven line and 13 pre injury home runs.

    Pain found Kearns again last year when a persistant hand injury stunted his development even more. After these two unproductive seasons he had a line of .250/.346/.440/.786 a pale shadow of the 2002 player who electrified the scene like Bernie Carbo did in 1970.

    All this eventually left the mess of a player that is playing these past 2 months for the Reds, swinging at ball in an off balanced manner and looking lost during most of his at bats.

    A man who has 169 at bats this season and only a .225/.307/.396/.704

    So you have to ponder…….Is Kearns going down like Carbo?

    Ray Shore former scout with the Reds felt that Carbo folded under the expectations created by his initial burst in 1970. Also Gammons paints Carbo as not the brightest man in his book “Beyond the Sixth Game” I’m not sure what happened to Carbo’s game, (other than his drug problems which might have been the real problem )

    From where I sit it looks like Kearns is experiencing alot of the same problems sans drugs. Decreased power and batting average, problems finding a consistent groove, making lots of outs.

    The ironic thing is it is all happening in the shadow of the southwestern player chosen number two in the same draft.

    Just like it did to Bernie.

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    Re: Bernie Carbo, The Reds first draft and Austin Kearns

    Well if that means Dunn will stay here his whole career and be a HOFer then I like our odds
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    Re: Bernie Carbo, The Reds first draft and Austin Kearns

    I think it means that Kearns will end up with the Sox and he'll hit a homer against us in game six of the WS about three years from now.

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    Re: Bernie Carbo, The Reds first draft and Austin Kearns

    Quote Originally Posted by OldRightHander
    I think it means that Kearns will end up with the Sox and he'll hit a homer against us in game six of the WS about three years from now.
    At this point, I'm in. The World Series seems about as far off for the Reds as me ever owning this home I'm about to buy.
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    Re: Bernie Carbo, The Reds first draft and Austin Kearns

    Nicely drawn parallel, woy. I had forgotten the cannonball splash of Carbo's debut.
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    Re: Bernie Carbo, The Reds first draft and Austin Kearns

    will you please write a book already. The stuff you posted on Redszone alone would be a good starting point for several chapters.
    Suck it up cupcake.

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    Re: Bernie Carbo, The Reds first draft and Austin Kearns

    Quote Originally Posted by TRF
    will you please write a book already. The stuff you posted on Redszone alone would be a good starting point for several chapters.
    No kidding.

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    Re: Bernie Carbo, The Reds first draft and Austin Kearns

    Quote Originally Posted by TRF
    will you please write a book already. The stuff you posted on Redszone alone would be a good starting point for several chapters.
    Then we would have to pay for what we get for free now
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    Re: Bernie Carbo, The Reds first draft and Austin Kearns

    Good stuff WOY.

    I wonder what Chambliss tells Kearns, what he has him working on, etc.


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