Originally Posted by forfreelin04
Ummm....Yeah.
I'm gonna, kinda....
Haveta....
Disagree with you on this one.
Originally Posted by forfreelin04
Ummm....Yeah.
I'm gonna, kinda....
Haveta....
Disagree with you on this one.
"Baseball players are smarter than football players. How often do you see a baseball team penalized for too many men on the field?" ~ Jim Bouton
I agree that both are necessary, but there is more to the entire picture than batting average. And if you're talking about production, batting average does not tell you how much you've produced does it? It just tells you how many times you've averaged a hit in how many AB's. Not whether the run socred, someone got on base, if there was an extra base hit.. etc.Originally Posted by forfreelin04
But I do agree that avg and RBI's are important. You need to take the whole picture in, but have try to have an understanding of what everything means.
"I hate to advocate chemicals, alcohol, violence or insanity to anyone... But they've always worked for me."
-Hunter S. Thompson
what a bunch of crap.Originally Posted by forfreelin04
I'm really tired of hearing I don't watch enough games.
I must not have really spent that 150 bucks for the Season Ticket Package.
I did the book for a college baseball team for an entire season. Believe me when your head is in the stat book your head is not in the game.Originally Posted by wheels
So until ya ya........
Know what its like.............
Probably best not to uhhhh comment.
Ok, so you think the "stat guys" are at home charting the games?Originally Posted by forfreelin04
So until ya...
Know what it's like....
Probably really best not to uhhhh comment.
School's out. What did you expect?
Me, I'm busy sharpening my slide rule during games.Originally Posted by pedro
Hey maybe your different Rasior. Hats off to you. I can't do both at once. When my mind is concentrating on making sure I jot down every strike ball and ball in play, I have a hard time thinking crtically about what just happened or hasn't yet.
The better to poke "traditionalists" with my pretty.Originally Posted by Raisor
School's out. What did you expect?
Why do you assume that people who favor SABR methods are analyzing stats during the games?Originally Posted by forfreelin04
School's out. What did you expect?
Sorry if I "raised" some proverbial pencils from the stat sheet. I would just like to see some the so called "stat guys" raise some details behind their stats. In other words, I would like yous guys to get into a player's head instead of a player's stat line.
Originally Posted by forfreelin04
I haven't scored a game in years.
I'm not exactly sure what you think a "stat head" is...
For the record, I consider myself a traditionalist and a stat freak. This isn't a case of someone ignoring OPS for the sake of argument. Like Steve Phillips said in the other thread, I'd like to see Adam Dunn adjust his hitting approach, so he's swinging more and driving in more runs, instead of looking at so many pitches. Look at his numbers for that hot period he had last year in late July/early August. That's the type of hitter he can be, and the type of hitter he will be when he takes that kind of approach to hitting.
If you looked at what I posted, saw those batting average numbers and thought "see, I was right," then you totally missed the point of my post. I agreed with you that his BA was low in those situations. My point was that you absolutely have to look beyond BA in order to understand what Dunn offers. You can ignore the numbers all you want, but doing so doesn't change the numbers.Originally Posted by Terry
Why do you want Dunn to walk less? What would that accomplish?
You also offer no response to what I said about RBI: How do you suggest Dunn go about getting more RBI? It's not as simple as "hit the ball more" or "put the ball in play" or "don't walk as much". Example: Sean Casey, who has a .320 BA, is definitely not prone to Ks, and has been batting third in the lineup most of the year, has fewer RBI than Dunn. RBI is a team dependent stat. When Dunn comes up to bat with no one on base, the only person he can drive in is himself.
You shouldn't feel like you can't comment on Dunn or give your opinion on him or anything else. It would just be nice if there were some explanation behind your views.
Originally Posted by Chip R
That's why I love espn.com. They do my game scoring for me
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