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    Will Live 8 Make A Difference?

    Good music, that is for sure.

    But will it make a difference? Has it ever in the past with Harrison's Bangla-Desh concert, Live Aid, or Nelson's Farm Aid?

    Do these multi-millionaire rock stars, whose ego's are only surpassed by their income, really think they are gonna influence those G8 nations by holding a concert? Do they really think they have that much pull/influence?

    Get real.

    I find that the only ones who end up benefiting from these events, as noble as these performers intent is to raise social consciousness on those starving in Africa, are the performers, promoters, and those who have to be paid to stage/set these things up. Those suffering in Africa will see little of it.

    After the concert, all these artist will return to their mansions and comfy living, pat themselves on the back, and then wait for the album to come out this Christmas season.

    Symbolism over substance IMO.



    But will it make a difference?

    BARRIE- Righteous rock `n' roll. Snap. Music on a mission. Snap. The virtuous and the virtuosos. Snap.

    In concert, in symbolic "interdependence," against poverty.

    Snap.

    But still some 6,800 children in Africa died yesterday — from hunger, from preventable diseases related to wretched impoverishment — during the hours between opening act Tom Cochrane and closing act Neil Young at Park Place.

    One child lost every three seconds.

    Snap. Snap. Snap.

    That's the grim reality and the core message of Live 8 — for all the waving arms and swaying hips under a brilliantly blue Canadian sky; a message that just might resonate long after the last guitar lick and harmonica riff and drum solo had been performed, whether here or at nine other venues, in half a dozen time zones, on four continents.

    A marathon of music, it was, a shockwave of amplified sound and imploring sentiment that rumbled around the planet, from London to Tokyo, from Rome to Johannesburg, from Berlin to a modest city north of Toronto, where some 35,000 fans gathered in a field alongside the highway to groove, cheer — yes, even applaud themselves every time the TV cameras panned — and snap their fingers in solidarity.

    If they had some fun while being proselytized — the gospel according to Sir Bob Geldof — where is the harm in that?

    It was a concert, after all. The message was sobering but the occasion was festive.

    On the giant screen and small screens across the country: Paul McCartney and Bono resurrecting "Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band," Sting, Madonna, a reunified Pink Floyd, Coldplay, Stevie Wonder and more rock royalty than you could shake a stick at.

    On the hastily refurbished stage at Park Place: The crθme of Canadian content but with some aliens thrown in (Deep Purple, Mφtley Crόe), 21 bands and solo performers banding together in response to the poverty relief shout-out from Geldof.

    Organizers hope, perhaps naively, that the urgent appeal for responsibility and redress will carry through at least to this week's G8 summit, when leaders of the planet's richest countries convene at a posh Scottish resort to palaver about the poor-who-are-always-with-us.

    In a sneering world, it might be chic to mock privileged pop stars and their grey-haired rock ancestors — survivors of a more decadent era — for laying claim to a social consciousness, from the comfort of their wealth, whilst preaching to the rest of us about global economics and debt relief and foreign aid packages equal to 0.7 per cent of the gross national product, as recommended 30 years ago by Lester B. Pearson. (Loads of references on the Barrie stage to him and, of course, to the collective "us," as in Canada, land of "peacemakers and peacekeepers," as extolled by Dan Aykroyd, co-host of the Canadian show with Tom Green.)

    This would be the same Aykroyd, one can't help but mention, who spoke about Third World poverty in recent weeks while appearing as celebrity shill for a $90 bottle of vodka.

    Still, it would be churlish to challenge the sincerity of those who squeezed Live 8 into their schedules and donated their talents — their only real commodity — or the estimated 3.3 million people who attended the concerts in ten cities.

    The gesture felt utterly genuine when Bryan Adams interrupted his own set for the high-noon "Worldwide Click Moment," when the international stages fell silent and every concert crowd raised its hands to snap as directed in what has become the mute code of the Make Poverty History campaign.

    Snap.

    With cameras flashing images from venue to venue, Live 8 impresario Geldof remembered, without nostalgia, the Live Aid spectacle he organized exactly two decades ago, antecedent to this one. "Many of us saw something so grotesque — that anybody in this world of plenty should die of want — that we felt physically sick."

    It is no less sickening now.

    "Don't listen to the skeptics, folks," advised Adams, as he approached the proscenium with an acoustic slung over his shoulders, launching into a ballad that ended on a poignant whiff of "Tears Are Not Enough."

    Twenty years ago, at the two-city Live Aid concert — the event raised $100 million for Africa yet the continent is worse off now than in 1985 — Adams participated as a fresh-faced arriviste. Now he's a middle-aged veteran of the rock industry, still singing the same old song on behalf of a poverty-wracked and politically ravaged Africa.

    "I'm still here,'' Adams told reporters afterwards, with a shrug that spoke volumes.

    He's still here; Africa is still hungry and enslaved to escalating interest debt, even if donor countries have cancelled $40 billion (U.S.) in money owed, but only for those countries that have met established thresholds of self-management.

    Yet Adams believes Live 8 will make a difference, that political leaders will feel the heat and make the generous financial commitments necessary to rescue Africa from catastrophe.

    "Look at the difference between 20 years ago and today. We had two shows. Today we've got nine concerts around the world. To be able to get a message out across the world is much easier than it ever was before.

    "We know this is probably the biggest rock concert in history. It will receive a lot of attention. It will bring a lot of attention.''

    If Adams, a simple rock star after all, is not a voice worthy of changing intractable political minds — Prime Minister Paul Martin, come on down — then what of Nelson Mandela, an enduring icon of all that is resilient in the human spirit?

    Frail at age 86, still grieving the recent death of a son who succumbed to AIDS, Mandela riveted both the crowd in distant Johannesburg and the one — surprisingly young in composition — that fell into a hush in Barrie. Wearing a shirt on which was emblazoned his prison number — 46664 — from more than 25 years in a South African jail, the retired president of Africa's richest nation, a country awash in gold yet staggered by poverty, Mandela invested Live 8 with a very special kind of legitimacy.

    "I am pleased to be here today to support Africa standing tall against poverty, in concert with Live 8.

    "As you know, I formally announced my retirement from public life and should really not be here. However, as long as poverty, injustice and gross inequality exist in our world, none of us can truly rest."

    Mandela told of how his spirit, and those of his anti-apartheid comrades, had been lifted during all those years of incarceration from knowing the world was watching, the world cared.

    "Those efforts paid off and we are able to stand here today and join the millions around the world in support of the fight against poverty. Massive poverty and obscene inequality are such terrible scourges of our times. We live in a world where knowledge and information have made enormous strides yet millions of children are not in school. We live in a world where the AIDS pandemic threatens the very fabric of our lives, yet we spend more money on weapons than supporting the millions infected by HIV. ... Overcoming poverty is not a gesture of charity. It is an act of justice.''

    The burden of doing the right thing falls now on the shoulders of those eight leaders heading for Gleneagles, said Mandela.

    In their own way, more effectively as musical messiahs than public orators, the performers in Barrie yesterday tried to say the same thing. And the audience was receptive, even if fans had to often remind themselves of the purpose behind this affair as they tossed beach balls and slathered their bodies with suntan lotion.

    Mighty Popo, a member of African Guitar Summit — there were unforgivably few African performers on any of the lineups — expressed his gratitude, as an African, to Live 8 and the support it had engendered.

    "We talk to many Africans here and abroad," said Popo, raised in Burundi. "We told them people are gathering for them."

    But he wanted to correct a false impression. "Africans work very hard. They work harder than anybody can imagine."

    It's a resource-blessed continent whose riches never trickle down to the vast majority, many of whom live on less than $1 a day. And its economy has been disastrously damaged over a century of pillaging by the West.

    "They don't really want to beg any more," said Popo of Africans. "It's a little bit of a dilemma, to think of the nations that have helped make Africa poor. And now we look to these nations for help."

    To quote The Barenaked Ladies: If I had a million dollars ...

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    Re: Will Live 8 Make A Difference?

    Hey GAC, we agree on something.

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    Re: Will Live 8 Make A Difference?

    I support the artists who actually seem to care about the issue, and they played great music, but I dont think Live 8 will make a difference. Vh1's Best Week Ever said it all. They didnt raise a dime for anyone. It was to raise awareness! OK, awesome, but dont they think that raising money to help with the hunger/Aids problem in third world countries would have been better???

    GAC you make a great point. They go home to their mansions, and will sit back and wait for the media to pat them on the back. All the artists who appeared got giftbaskets!!!!!!!!! I think the money for the giftbaskets could have been given to people that really need it.

    Many people might not like this, but its just another chance for Bono, Dave Matthews etc. to stroke their egos, and make us all feel bad, because they are getting paid to raise awareness for world issues, while people like me actually donate time and hard earned money to many of the same causes! Celebrities that donate money should be commended, but so should regular joes, who donate time and money to the same causes.
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    Re: Will Live 8 Make A Difference?

    Quote Originally Posted by GAC
    Twenty years ago, at the two-city Live Aid concert — the event raised $100 million for Africa yet the continent is worse off now than in 1985 — Adams participated as a fresh-faced arriviste. Now he's a middle-aged veteran of the rock industry, still singing the same old song on behalf of a poverty-wracked and politically ravaged Africa.
    It won't make a difference, because just like 20 year ago, what money and food governments send to Africa will be given to the governments of those African nations who will use the money for their own selfish reasons (weapons, ammunition) and the food as bait for the warlords to recruit citizens into their armies. The food and money would be better off sent to the people via groups like Doctors Without Borders, missionaries or aid workers.

    Oh yeah, and all of the things that GAC said too. The celebrities are the only ones who'll benefit from this, and many, many more Africans will die.
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    Re: Will Live 8 Make A Difference?

    Many people might not like this,
    Who are these people?

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    Re: Will Live 8 Make A Difference?

    Quote Originally Posted by RedBloodedAmerican
    Who are these people?
    I dont know, Many people love bono and Dave matthews for some reason, and I was just trying to be as nice as possible, while ripping apart their idols
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    Re: Will Live 8 Make A Difference?

    Quote Originally Posted by Falls City Beer
    Hey GAC, we agree on something.

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    Re: Will Live 8 Make A Difference?

    Nope.
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    Re: Will Live 8 Make A Difference?

    Na-da - like G11 said, it was to raise awareness not money. But if the governments are not listening - it's a waste - AND I don't think they were listening. Great music tho'!
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    Re: Will Live 8 Make A Difference?

    Quote Originally Posted by Falls City Beer
    Hey GAC, we agree on something.

    Katie bar the door!
    You know what? You were the first person I thought of that would agree with me on this. Really.

    If the conert was to only raise awareness, then what did they charge for a ticket? Or was it a free concert?

    I realize that there were costs involved - advertising, paying promoters, rental of space, etc, etc. But I think of all the people who went, and what they had to put out to go (not that I'm sympathetic to any of them); but what was the sacrifice of these artists?
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    Re: Will Live 8 Make A Difference?

    If the conert was to only raise awareness, then what did they charge for a ticket? Or was it a free concert?
    It was free, or close to free (like less than $20 a ticket).
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    Re: Will Live 8 Make A Difference?

    Here's what I mean about these artist's egos...

    Sir Paul McCartney's Live 8 threat
    June 28, 2005

    Sir Paul McCartney will headline at charity show Live 8 - after threatening to pull out.

    The 62-year-old Beatles star reportedly told organisers he wanted to open and close the charity concert at London's Hyde Park or he would "think seriously" about whether to take part at all, according to Britain's Daily Mail newspaper.

    The demand is said to have angered other stars, including U2's Bono, who wanted to open the star-studded show.

    Organisers gave in to the singer's request, but decided McCartney - who also headlined Live Aid in 1985 - will share the stage for the opening number with Bono and his band U2.

    A Live 8 source claimed: "Some of the more fragile egos are upset. Bono, in particular, was quick to demand a share of the opening number and sees what he has done politically over the years as a bit more relevant to Live 8 than what Paul has to offer.

    "Remember, these are the biggest rock stars around.

    Whatever order they sing in there is going to be friction".

    A spokesman for the star said: "Bob Geldof asked him if he would do it, and he is delighted to be taking part in such an important event".
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    Re: Will Live 8 Make A Difference?

    Jenna Jameson couldn't have done better than all the stroking done on behalf of these musicians this week.
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