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    Re: GTA San Andreas pulled from shelves due to rating change

    Quote Originally Posted by Ravenlord
    where's the correlation?

    as entertainment has 'degenerated,' American drug rates, violence, underage drinking have all gone down over the last 20 years.
    Almost 20 years ago now, I took a grad school class from the country's foremost expert on the effects of media violence, George Comstock. He published a compendium of studies that were done on the subject. There were hundreds of them. The bottom line of his work on the compendium is that you can find studies that demonstrate a connection and you can find studies that make it appear as if there is no connection. The connection is inconclusive, and highly dependent on the design of the study. I choose to believe that there is a connection and I act accordingly where my children are concerned.
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    Re: GTA San Andreas pulled from shelves due to rating change

    It was rated M for mature, which is like the R rating for video games (17+).
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    Re: GTA San Andreas pulled from shelves due to rating change

    Quote Originally Posted by WVRed
    Using your examples-



    Think its possible that the kid might be eating a Little Debbie or a Twinkie while playing the game? Not to mention the lack of exercise that comes from playing(unless its one of those dance games).
    Those "Little Debbie" snack breaks can come during TV viewing, DVD watching, internet surfing and yes, book reading. How about mom and pop telling their kids to "go outside and play" for a change?


    With a video game like GTA portraying drugs, sex, and alcohol in such a positive light, what kind of influence does that portray to the child playing the game?
    Since when did GTA portray that stuff in a "positive light"? Have you ever played it? If so, what version 'cuz there isn't a damn thing positive in it.

    and if a VIDEO GAME has more influence on a kid than their parents, whose fault is that? Say it with me: The parents. Piece of advice, if a video game actually has a CRIME in the title, it might not be the ideal thing for little johnny.


    I would think sitting in front of a television playing video games all day and not studying would hurt a child academically rather than help him.
    Watching TV, DVDs, internet, comic books, etc would help either.
    This is where mommy and daddy insist on homework being done.

    Dont get me wrong, im not exactly thrilled the game was pulled. But at the same time, if you are going to pull GTA, there are plenty of other games out there that are equal or worse with "M" ratings.

    Didnt Playboy:The Mansion get a Mature rating? Same with Leisure Pad Larry, where the goal is to try and score. There was a game for X-box where it featured topless volleyball as well, but I cant recall the name.

    GTA is clearly being labeled the scapegoat, and there are equal or worse things out there.
    People love them some scapegoats.

    Personally, I find GTA harmless, then again I'm 29 years old. However I watched violent horror movies as a kid and I'm not running around in a hockey mask.

    I say PATOOEY to all this "entertainment makes kids violent" bologna.

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    Re: GTA San Andreas pulled from shelves due to rating change

    Just thought I'd throw this article from a videogames site into the mix for its statistical analysis of the connection between youth violence and video games. It still doesn't make me doubt the connection, but it is food for thought.
    The Truth About Violent Youth and Video Games
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    Re: GTA San Andreas pulled from shelves due to rating change

    The ESRB is full of crap anyway, it's not like it's a FOR SURE thing that they have everything in the game. The ESRB gets mailed a video of the "Most Violent", "Most Sexual", "Most Offensive", etc.etc. stuff in the game BY THE PEOPLE THAT MADE IT. They don't actually play through every game like many people think. ESRB = Worthless. I only use it to see if the game is in level A (Kids) or Level B (Older People) lol.

    People are blowing this outta proportion, and anyone that lets their kids play a game like this is stupid anyway - the probably wouldn't care about a sex scene
    Also...
    M = 17+
    AO = 18+

    WOW! A whole year difference! If you were 17 and bought this, you might have gotten 18 year old content.
    It's like people want to be controlled by the companies and ratings and government - make your own decisions, and don't be freaking out because a game that already has hookers, death, destruction, and driveby shootings now has sex if you patch it.
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    Re: GTA San Andreas pulled from shelves due to rating change

    Actually, you can buy rated M games if you are under 17. AO on the other hand is a different story.
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    Re: GTA San Andreas pulled from shelves due to rating change

    Video games are always a tough call for me as a parent.

    My son loves video games but my daughters don't really care a lot about them (which is pretty typical I think). I don't have time to screen each and every game that comes along so I rely heavily upon the ESRB ratings to give me a feel for the general tenor of a game. They do a pretty good job of rating games.

    My wife and I held the ESRB Everyone and Teen lines with my son for quite a while. Of course, he was never too happy about it and he did get tastes of more mature games at friends houses or when a game got snuck into our house. But, at our house, it had to be rated age-appropriate to get purchased. If it got purchased under the radar and I found out, it got pitched (to much wailing and gnashing of teeth). I think that happened twice and Zach got the message.

    Around about the age of 15, the whole Mature-rated game thing came up when he started pressing hard. I started to dig pretty heavily into ESRB ratings and tried very hard to understand all of their content descriptor terminology and what that translated to into games. The ESRB does a thorough job and sometimes goes a little overboard in their ratings. But that's OK, I'd rather they go over than under (like movie ratings are now but that's a whole 'nuther story).

    So, about 15, I let an M game into the house (I think it was Halo). I watched Zach and his pals play a rented copy for a while and decided it was "OK". He didn't turn into a homicidal maniac or kill me in my sleep. Over the past couple years (he's 17 now), a few more M games have come into the house. We follow the same drill, rent the game, let Dad watch them play for a while, if he's OK with it, then buy it if you want.

    The nice thing is, this path has formed his frame of judgement for his own choosing of video games. He tends to like the cartoony, goofy games and doesn't care much for the heavy gore, adult-themed games. He didn't even consider getting GTA San Andreas and doesn't like it or any games of that ilk.

    And I don't give a rats patoot if they've proved a correlation between video violence and real violence. The litmus test is if the game offends me (and I'm pretty broad-minded) or if it portrays core values that I truly don't approve of. I give my kids increasing degrees of freedoms and if they show maturity and good judgement they get more, but underneath it all, our house is a benevolent dictatorship and what I say *goes*. And woe to the child that crosses up Dad. That is a true come-to-Jesus time and they see a side of me that they soon find they don't want to ever see again.

    And at one of my son's video game parties I've watched GTA San Andreas (at many of my son's and daughters gatherings, I hang for a few minutes and let my presence in the house be known) and I thought it was garbage. The next day, I told Zach I didn't like it and don't want to see it around again (as I would a hard-R rated movie or if someone brought over a stack of porn magazines). Zach and his friends understood (they are good kids and understand the house rules) and I haven't see it since.

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    Re: GTA San Andreas pulled from shelves due to rating change

    If you are really concerned about the "hidden" content of games like GTA, you can easily google up some web sites that contain walkthroughs, codes, and cheats. These things might give you a little more insight into what the game is really about.
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    Re: GTA San Andreas pulled from shelves due to rating change

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Allred
    People, people, people. Get a life. It's just a video game.

    Parents? Do your friggin job. Video games are not the problem though it's a good distraction from the following;

    Childhood obesity, drug use, alcohol use, teen pregnancy, substandard performance in school, bullying, etc etc etc.

    but hey, a sex scene in a video game is the worst of all. Right?

    exactly, is called a VIDEO GAME, not Life or Death, its a game meant to have fun, it doesn't influence, or shouldn't influence people to do such things, its not negligence by the companies, its by the moronic parents, then they ***** and moan that their kids are emulating what the saw in a game, its not the gams fault at all, just like what happened with the TV Show Jackass, people blamed the show for their injuries, when it gives a warning which is right here:




    its not the shows/games fault, its the idiots that are trying to emulate these acts, so before this catholic groups start attacking the shows, look at the idots watching the stuff that try to emulate it


    if u can't read that one, heres a better look at it:


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    Re: GTA San Andreas pulled from shelves due to rating change

    I wonder how many of the people in this thread that think this is stupid actually have kids. Honestly, I'm just curious.
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    Re: GTA San Andreas pulled from shelves due to rating change

    Quote Originally Posted by pedro
    I wonder how many of the people in this thread that think this is stupid actually have kids. Honestly, I'm just curious.

    excellent question.
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    Re: GTA San Andreas pulled from shelves due to rating change

    Quote Originally Posted by pedro
    I wonder how many of the people in this thread that think this is stupid actually have kids. Honestly, I'm just curious.
    As i was reading this thread I was wondering the same thing. Maybe this sounds harsh, but if you don't have children of your own, your opinion on this matter means very little to me. Kids are influenced by just about everything they come into contact with. Yes, it's true. If you think the test for whether or not something is detrimentally inflential to a child is whether or not it will make then go commit murder, then I'm not sure how to respond to that. That response to questions like this is irrational, IMO. Until you've had the future of another human being entirely in your hands, then you have no idea what you're saying.
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    Re: GTA San Andreas pulled from shelves due to rating change

    Quote Originally Posted by MWM
    As i was reading this thread I was wondering the same thing. Maybe this sounds harsh, but if you don't have children of your own, your opinion on this matter means very little to me. Kids are influenced by just about everything they come into contact with. Yes, it's true. If you think the test for whether or not something is detrimentally inflential to a child is whether or not it will make then go commit murder, then I'm not sure how to respond to that. That response to questions like this is irrational, IMO. Until you've had the future of another human being entirely in your hands, then you have no idea what you're saying.
    I don't have kids, but I do know enough to realize I'd never let them play GTA. Doesn't mean it should be pulled from any store shelves though.
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    Re: GTA San Andreas pulled from shelves due to rating change

    I don't have kids, so if you want to stop reading my take now, feel free.

    I do not believe there is a ratings system that can work across the board. Each parent has to know their child and understand what they are and are not capable of understanding and dealing with. I grew up with some video games [I'm 31] and some were considered too violent [Mortal Combat] and such, but it never had any affect on me. My parents knew my mentality and understood what would be viewed as entertainment and such and what might have an affect on me.

    I don't think it's any groups right or obligation to prohibit sales of items to those who want to buy them [assuming they are legal] otherwise we get into censorship and first admendment rights and no one wants that. Parents have to understand what their kids are playing and more importantly, understand their kids mental accumen in knowing what's real and ok and what's just a game.

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    Re: GTA San Andreas pulled from shelves due to rating change

    Quote Originally Posted by MWM
    As i was reading this thread I was wondering the same thing. Maybe this sounds harsh, but if you don't have children of your own, your opinion on this matter means very little to me. Kids are influenced by just about everything they come into contact with. Yes, it's true. If you think the test for whether or not something is detrimentally inflential to a child is whether or not it will make then go commit murder, then I'm not sure how to respond to that. That response to questions like this is irrational, IMO. Until you've had the future of another human being entirely in your hands, then you have no idea what you're saying.
    I have two kids, but I disagree with this.

    Nothing magical happens when you have kids--yeah, you've got to make some decisions for your kids that are difficult, but being a parent (biologically or otherwise) doesn't mean you have a moral wisdom particular to "parents."

    In fact, I suspect the percentage of people who are parents that have any business *being* parents is probably no better than 50%.


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