Its just like the Reds, its the pitching that is the reason the two team are where they are at, not the situational hitting.Originally Posted by SteelSD
Its just like the Reds, its the pitching that is the reason the two team are where they are at, not the situational hitting.Originally Posted by SteelSD
Alright - stop making sense!Originally Posted by rdiersin
I might have to negativize you if you keep making valid points using logic and stuff.
Don't tempt me, cause I'll do it. I will. Really. I will.
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brown-noser.Originally Posted by Red Leader
"I came here to kick ass and chew bubble gum... and I'm all out of bubble gum."
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Yep. Exactly.Originally Posted by rdiersin
And the ironic thing is that after last night, the Nats still have an almost identical overall and RISP Batting Average (.260, .262). They're SLG is lower with RISP They've scored the fewest Runs in the National League but when you look at the RISP numbers, they take a tiny jump up to 13th in Runs Scored with RISP while having the 2nd lowest number of AB in that situation.
So why do they jump up three spots with a constant BA and a lower SLG versus their overall numbers? If it's not BA, and it's not SLG, and it's not K's (because they K more with RISP), and it's not Stolen Bases, and it's not Bunts, then what is it?
They're seventh in the NL in BB with RISP. That's what. The Nats' OBP is 33 points higher with RISP because of it.
In fact, the Nats have posted 3,129 PA this season and have taken 260 BB overall. Yet, in only 841 PA with RISP, the Nationals have drawn 107 BB.
That's astounding. The small bump in RISP production for the Nationals is entirely attributable to the fact that they've taken 41% of their BB this season in the 27% of their PA that fall in the RISP realm. The additional opportunities generated by this with RISP have led to a small increase in the Nats ability to score Runs and it's the ONLY significant positive deviation we can find when we take an objective look at their numbers for 2005.
Funny how that works.
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But the Nats have far, far better pitching than the Reds did. Hernandez is a legitimate ace, and Loaiza's worth every cent as well.Originally Posted by 2001MUgrad
The staff really helps them if a slump occurs on the hitting side... especially playing in that pitchers park. A good pitching park that reduces runs enables them to weather the streakiness their contact first team will be encumbered with (eventually) better than being in a hitters park.Originally Posted by registerthis
Hey, weren't you in Sha-Na-Na for a while? Or was it Menudo?Originally Posted by Raisor
Yes we seem to agree in certain areas but I guess fundamentally you are ok with just dismissing the situational and player-specific stuff as insignificant and I'm not.Originally Posted by rdiersin
How do you explain this?
2005 to Date
Griffey 47 Runs and 53 RBI = Total of 102
Dunn 57 Runs and 46 RBI = Total of 103
If you accept that generally speaking for a team (Runs + RBIs) / 2 = Actual Runs then for a player it should follow that as individuals these guys are each responsible for ~ 51 Runs
according to espn
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/stats/...hand=a&pos=all
Griff's Runs Created this year is 52.3 (close enough to ~51 for me)
Dunn's Runs Created this year is 61.5 (looks like an overstatement)
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I'm aware of the "team dependent" argument against RBIs but RBIs are no more "team dependent" than Dunn's 58 BBs which no doubt some are a function of his hitting in 6 hole and having the team's worst hitters following him - those same BBs that pump up that RC number.
It was both, he's very talentedOriginally Posted by Yachtzee
Go Gators!
Someone has to be driving in Dunn when he walks since he LEADS THE TEAM IN RUNS SCORED!Originally Posted by BadFundamentals
'When I'm not longer rapping, I want to open up an ice cream parlor and call myself Scoop Dogg.'
-Snoop on his retirement
Your Mom is happy.
Translation:If you accept that generally speaking for a team (Runs + RBIs) / 2 = Actual Runs then for a player it should follow that as individuals these guys are each responsible for ~ 51 Runs
If rdiersin can accept an overly-simplistic and entirely inaccurate premise, then you'll be right.
If you'll accept that the moon is made of green cheese, then I can prove that man never landed on it.
"The problem with strikeouts isn't that they hurt your team, it's that they hurt your feelings..." --Rob Neyer
"The single most important thing for a hitter is to get a good pitch to hit. A good hitter can hit a pitch that’s over the plate three times better than a great hitter with a ball in a tough spot.”
--Ted Williams
BTW, BF-
It's about time you addressed why you were so wildly inaccurate about the Washington Nationals offensive unit. Considering that you called Raisor out on this thread and then ended up being completely wrong about it, I think Raisor deserves at least that much.
Go ahead.
"The problem with strikeouts isn't that they hurt your team, it's that they hurt your feelings..." --Rob Neyer
"The single most important thing for a hitter is to get a good pitch to hit. A good hitter can hit a pitch that’s over the plate three times better than a great hitter with a ball in a tough spot.”
--Ted Williams
Actually that can be quantified. Obviously you weren't aware that all the first place teams lead the league in two major categories: AWQ (anger to wins quotient) and SF. (scrappy factor) Any Postastat could give you the exact numbers, probably in three different graphs and tables.Originally Posted by MWM
I don't accept that a players worth is their (RBI+R)/2. That's an estimation scheme that already knows the result for a team. It cannot be applied to a situation in which you do not have those measurements truely available and that's the case for a player. Also for a team RBI~=R, but that's not the case for the player.Originally Posted by BadFundamentals
In my neighborhood, we call that a triple dog dare.Originally Posted by SteelSD
She used to wake me up with coffee ever morning
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