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    I have issues

    Today while driving home from work I heard about another 4 American military troops killed in Iraq. I couldn't take it anymore, so I screamed at the top of my lungs,
    "*** DAMN IT!!!" I was hoping someone was listening, but nobody was. I just kept screaming "*** DAMN IT!!! and other expletives hoping someone was listening, but nobody was or seemed to care. My car windows were closed, so that maybe why nobody was listening or gave a rat's ass. So it may very well be my fault people are dying. For what? It might be, because I shoud be out of the car, on top of the car, and screaming at the top of my lungs, "what the HELL IS GOING ON!" But would anyone care? I'm ashamed, I don't have the guts to speak out other than in the safety of my own car. I'll just keep on hearing the slaughter of men, women, children by what are called insurgents and in some cases collatorial caustaulities from our own military. There once was a President that said, "I hear you, we hear you, the whole world hears you!" in one of the greast moments in American History. But now it seems like the American People and that President have become deaf. Deaf to the dying and deaf to my screams. Maybe I shoudl scream louder? And in a place where someone might hear me rather than the screaming I do in the safety of my own car I drive with the windows rolled up. I'm a *** DAMN Chicken!

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    It's truly sad that so many young people have died in order to fullfill the Presidents political agenda. This war has not made America or the world safer and it has not, as of yet, made Iraq a better place for Iraqi's. I hope I'm wrong and some day we will look back and say it was all worth it, but I doubt it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pedro
    I hope I'm wrong and some day we will look back and say it was all worth it, but I doubt it.
    It's past the point of the ends justifying the means (not that there's ever any justification for dying for a lie); all you can hope for at this point is the quickest exit.

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    My brother's best friend, and someone I got to know really well, is heading over to Iraq in a couple of weeks. It's definitely frightening.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MWM
    My brother's best friend, and someone I got to know really well, is heading over to Iraq in a couple of weeks. It's definitely frightening.
    I hope he's OK. One of my best friends is in the guard and hasn't got the call yet. I hope every day that he doesn't.
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    My brother is in the Marines and flew in the war when it started... he is home safe and sound now, and I wish the same for all your friends and everyone else over there...

    I think everyone in the country wishes our guys/gals the best even if it might not always seem like it.

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    That's cute.

    Anyways, I'm hoping for an 11x and option 40 contract. Hope I get it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LvJ
    That's cute.

    Anyways, I'm hoping for an 11x and option 40 contract. Hope I get it.
    What's cute?

    I mean, besides glibness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LvJ
    That's cute.

    Anyways, I'm hoping for an 11x and option 40 contract. Hope I get it.
    I wish you luck dude.

    and I sincerely hope you think it was worth it when you're done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pedro
    I wish you luck dude.
    Thank yah.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Falls City Beer
    What's cute?

    I mean, besides glibness.
    Your story. Don't worry though, I done that when I broke up with my girlfriend. So, it's okay.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LvJ
    Your story. Don't worry though, I done that when I broke up with my girlfriend. So, it's okay.
    My story?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Falls City Beer
    My story?
    Well, his story.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LvJ
    Well, his story.
    Hey. I give you credit: you're putting your money where your mouth is. More than I can say for the sons and daughters of this country's wealthy. They got better things to do I guess.

    If you're interested, Bob Herbert has an interesting OP-ED in the NY Times about re-instituting the draft to put a quicker end to this war.

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    I'll save you the travel costs; gas is expensive:

    Blood Runs Red, Not Blue
    By BOB HERBERT

    You have to wonder whether reality ever comes knocking on George W. Bush's door. If it did, would the president with the unsettling demeanor of a boy king even bother to answer? Mr. Bush is the commander in chief who launched a savage war in Iraq and now spends his days happily riding his bicycle in Texas.

    This is eerie. Scary. Surreal.

    The war is going badly and lives have been lost by the thousands, but there is no real sense, either at the highest levels of government or in the nation at large, that anything momentous is at stake. The announcement on Sunday that five more American soldiers had been blown to eternity by roadside bombs was treated by the press as a yawner. It got very little attention.

    You can turn on the television any evening and tune in to the bizarre extended coverage of the search for Natalee Holloway, the Alabama teenager who disappeared in Aruba in May. But we hear very little about the men and women who have given up their lives in Iraq, or are living with horrific injuries suffered in that conflict.

    If only the war were more entertaining. Less of a downer. Perhaps then we could meet the people who are suffering and dying in it.

    For all the talk of supporting the troops, they are a low priority for most Americans. If the nation really cared, the president would not be frolicking at his ranch for the entire month of August. He'd be back in Washington burning the midnight oil, trying to figure out how to get the troops out of the terrible fix he put them in.

    Instead, Mr. Bush is bicycling as soldiers and marines are dying. Dozens have been killed since he went off on his vacation.

    As for the rest of the nation, it's not doing much for the troops, either. There was a time, long ago, when war required sacrifices that were shared by most of the population. That's over.

    I was in Jacksonville, Fla., a few days ago and watched in amusement as a young woman emerged from a restaurant into 95-degree heat and gleefully exclaimed, "All right, let's go shopping!" The war was the furthest thing from her mind.

    For the most part, the only people sacrificing for this war are the troops and their families, and very few of them are coming from the privileged economic classes. That's why it's so easy to keep the troops out of sight and out of mind. And it's why, in the third year of a war started by the richest nation on earth, we still get stories like the one in Sunday's Times that began:

    "For the second time since the Iraq war began, the Pentagon is struggling to replace body armor that is failing to protect American troops from the most lethal attacks by insurgents."

    Scandalous incompetence? Appalling indifference? Try both. Who cares? This is a war fought mostly by other people's children. The loudest of the hawks are the least likely to send their sons or daughters off to Iraq.

    The president has never been clear about why we're in Iraq. There's no plan, no strategy. In one of the many tragic echoes of Vietnam, U.S. troops have been fighting hellacious battles to seize areas controlled by insurgents, only to retreat and allow the insurgents to return.

    If Mr. Bush were willing to do something he has refused to do so far - speak plainly and honestly to the American people about this war - he might be able to explain why U.S. troops should continue with an effort that is, in large part at least, benefiting Iraqi factions that are murderous, corrupt and terminally hostile to women. If by some chance he could make that case, the next appropriate step would be to ask all Americans to do their part for the war effort.

    College kids in the U.S. are playing video games and looking forward to frat parties while their less fortunate peers are rattling around like moving targets in Baghdad and Mosul, trying to dodge improvised explosive devices and rocket-propelled grenades.

    There is something very, very wrong with this picture.

    If the war in Iraq is worth fighting - if it's a noble venture, as the hawks insist it is - then it's worth fighting with the children of the privileged classes. They should be added to the combat mix. If it's not worth their blood, then we should bring the other troops home.

    If Mr. Bush's war in Iraq is worth dying for, then the children of the privileged should be doing some of the dying.

    E-mail: bobherb@nytimes.com


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