I have been trying to find the military vote in the 2004 election for a long time and have been unable to locate it. Where did you find this figure?Originally Posted by George Foster
I have been trying to find the military vote in the 2004 election for a long time and have been unable to locate it. Where did you find this figure?
and we are creating the largest terrorist training ground in history.
As Caveat said, this war is causing more terrorists to join the cause every day.
The idea that we are safer because of this war is absolutely ridiculous. Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. Trying to tie the war in Iraq to the fight against terrorism is ludicrous.
School's out. What did you expect?
BTW GF, I haven't read anywhere in this thread where anyone has claimed that we are in Iraq because of oil. Maybe your talking about some other hacks?
School's out. What did you expect?
One man couldn't remove Saddam Hussein from power. His son set out to prove that he could. I've always felt that's what this was about, and knew it would happen when we elected him to his first term.
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Bingo. Caveat, you beat me to it. These two countries are just now expanding their infrastructures equal to levels that we have been enjoying in this country since the 1950's. Bridges, highways, buildings--things that we take for granted--were never there in those countries either because they had no resources or because their governments failed to make them priorities.
I work in an industry that is greatly influenced by the recent fluctuation in steel prices. The last 2-3 years have been brutal for us because of the demand that is originating from China, and to a lesser extent, India. "Buy American" clauses in my company's contracts force me to buy domestic steel exclusively; however, these same steel companies are free to sell to the highest bidder regardless of their country of origin. Right now, these developing countries are not only over-paying for steel, but for all commodities including crude oil. In China, transportation conditions have improved almost overnight. Thus, people have been purchasing automobiles at staggering levels in countries that, historically, have been very dependent on other modes of transportation (bicycles, scooters, trains, etc...)
Really it just boils down to supply and demand. Strictly a numbers thing. China and India make up approximately 40% of the world population. When that amount of dollars begin to flow, some companies just can't keep their greed in check. As always, markets will adjust back to normal given the proper amount of time. We are simply an impatient society that consists of people who lack a greater understanding of world--not national--economics. I just get tired of hearing that the global price of crude oil will go down as soon as Americans get rid of one of our SUV's. Hogwash.
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This is a fallacious argument that has been used by conservatives since the war began.We are more safe with this war in Iraq. terrorist are going to Iraq to fight us rather than fighting us at the Mall of America or Disneyworld.
"Terrorists" aren't going to go toe-to-toe with the world's most powerful military force. Terrorists attack civilians and try to generate fear.
The war in Iraq is being fought by warlords, thugs, and "freedom fighters," not terrorists. If they ever figure out how futile it is to fight against an organized, well-equipped, well-trained army, they will probably decide to *become* terrorists.
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I'll step forward and make that assumption. After all, we already went to war with Iraq once over the stuff.
Oil may not have been the sole determining factor, but I think it's foolish to think Bush thought of Iraq's oilk as a nice bonus after we invaded and controlled the country.
We'll burn that bridge when we get to it.
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I don't think it had anything to do with oil. I think it was all about ego and legacy. Unfortunately I don't think it's creating the type of legacy Bush wanted.
School's out. What did you expect?
I agree completely. It took me a while to get to that belief, but that's the conclusion I've come to.
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It was because Hussein tried to muder/assassinate H.W.
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It's not like they did this because they're evil either. I believe they honestly thought they could remake the middle east in their image and make the world a better place for it. I just happen to think that it was an incredibly misguided and dangerous thing to do and I don't see anything happening in Iraq to make me change my mind. I wish I was wrong.
School's out. What did you expect?
From what I have seen and read, that's exactly how the Wolfowitz' of the world see their role(s) in modern society.
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Well, I do believe that's part of W's motivation but it'd be hard to get everyone else to go along for the ride soley based on that.
School's out. What did you expect?
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