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    Bush compares Iraq to WW II / Himself to Roosevelt

    Bush Compares Iraq War to WW II / Himself to Roosevelt
    President Marks 60th Anniversary of Earlier Conflict

    By JENNIFER LOVEN, AP

    CORONADO, Calif. (Aug. 30) - President Bush on Tuesday answered growing anti-war protests with a fresh reason for American troops to continue fighting in Iraq: protection of the country's vast oil fields that he said would otherwise fall under the control of terrorist extremists.

    The president's speech Tuesday was his third address about Iraq or the war on terrorism in less than two weeks.

    The president, standing against a backdrop of the imposing USS Ronald Reagan, the newest aircraft carrier in the Navy's fleet, said terrorists would be denied their goal of making Iraq a base from which to recruit followers, train them and finance new attacks.

    "We will defeat the terrorists," Bush said. "We will build a free Iraq that will fight terrorists instead of giving them aid and sanctuary."

    Appearing at the Naval Air Station North Island to commemorate the anniversary of the Allies' World War II victory over Japan, Bush compared his resolve now to President Franklin D. Roosevelt's in the 1940s and said America's mission in Iraq is to turn it into a democratic ally just as the U.S. did with Japan after its 1945 surrender.

    But Democrats said Bush's leadership falls far short of Roosevelt's.

    "Democratic Presidents Roosevelt and Truman led America to victory in World War II because they laid out a clear plan for success to the American people, America's allies and America's troops," said Democratic Party chairman Howard Dean. "President Bush has failed to put together a plan, so despite the bravery and sacrifice of our troops, we are not making the progress that we should be in Iraq. The troops, our allies and the American people deserve better leadership from our commander in chief."

    The speech was Bush's third in just over a week defending his Iraq policies, as the White House scrambles to counter growing public concern about the war. But the devastation wrought by Hurricane Katrina in the Gulf Coast drew attention away, as the White House announced during the president's remarks that he was cutting his August vacation short to return to Washington to personally oversee the federal response effort.

    After the speech, Bush hurried back to Texas ahead of schedule to prepare to fly back to the nation's capital Wednesday. He originally was to return to the White House on Friday, after spending more than four weeks operating from his ranch in Crawford, Texas.

    Bush's August break has been marked by problems in Iraq.

    It has been an especially deadly month there for U.S. troops, with the number of those who have died since the invasion of Iraq in March 2003 now nearing 1,900.

    The growing death toll has become a regular feature of the slightly larger protests that Bush now encounters everywhere he goes - a movement that has been given new life by a vigil set up in a field down the road from the president's ranch by a mother grieving the loss of her soldier son in Iraq.

    Cindy Sheehan arrived in Crawford, Texas, only days after Bush did, asking for a meeting so he could explain why her son and others are dying in Iraq. The White House refused, and Sheehan's camp turned into a hub of activity for hundreds of activists around the country demanding that troops be brought home.

    Nationwide, Bush's approval rating on his handling of Iraq has fallen below 40 percent.

    This week, the administration also had to defend the proposed constitution produced in Iraq at U.S. urging. Critics fear the impact of its rejection by many Sunnis and say it fails to protect religious freedom and women's rights.

    At the naval base, Bush declared, "We will not rest until victory is America's and our freedom is secure" from al-Qaida and its forces in Iraq led by Abu Musab al-Zarqawi.

    "If Zarqawi and bin Laden gain control of Iraq, they would create a new training ground for future terrorist attacks," Bush said. "They'd seize oil fields to fund their ambitions. They could recruit more terrorists by claiming a historic victory over the United States and our coalition."

    Hoping to invoke the powerful feelings of national pride in World War II, Bush said the mission in Iraq must succeed in order to honor the sacrifice of that conflict's soldiers.

    "We will never let the new enemies of a new century destroy with cowardice what these Americans built with courage," Bush said to an audience that including some WWII veterans.

    Bush's V-J Day ceremony did not fall on the actual anniversary. Japan announced its surrender on Aug. 15, 1945 - Aug. 14 in the United States because of the time difference. Sept. 2, 1945, is the day the surrender was signed aboard the USS Missouri.

    Tuesday, the day the president spoke, was the 60th anniversary of Gen. Douglas MacArthur's arrival in Japan to direct the U.S. occupation and reconstruction of the vanquished foe.


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    In an attached AOL Poll, they asked whether or not you felt that Bush's comparison of Iraq to WW II was a valid comparison. At the time that I participated in the poll, 88% said NO (12% said YES).

    It went on to ask whether or not you felt that the comparison to Vietnam was accurate. 79% said YES (21% said NO).

    That's pretty telling, IMO.

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    I thought I read somewhere that 90%+ of Americans favored the U.S. participation in WWII from Pearl Harbor to the end.

    Can anyone corroborate this?

    There was a small anti-war sentiment, but I think you were talking some hardcore pacificsts.
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    Re: Bush compares Iraq to WW II / Himself to Roosevelt

    Quote Originally Posted by cincinnati chili
    I thought I read somewhere that 90%+ of Americans favored the U.S. participation in WWII from Pearl Harbor to the end.

    Can anyone corroborate this?

    There was a small anti-war sentiment, but I think you were talking some hardcore pacificsts.
    I think you're right on that, Chili. Protesting against WWII just wasn't done.

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    No Comparison; None: Zilch; Zip; Nada. Has he had a relapse of his John Barley Brown days with this one. There is absolutely not one ounce of comparison to that generation and mine. As a matter of fact, I myself am not worthy to be compared to that generation of Americans, though I feel that I have served my country admirably. I like Bush, though I deeply question many of his policies/doctrines.

    And, Bush's leadership does fall woefully short of FDR's. When you look at gas prices, jobless rates, the national debt, etc., I tend to think "man, what I wouldn't give to have someone in the likeness of FDR running the show right now.

    Reading history books and biographies, what I can say with some certainty, is that if FDR had to choose between listening to the advice of Colin Powell or Don Rumsfeld/Karl Rove before going to war in Iraq, I'm certain he would have chosen a battle proven leader such as Powell.

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    Re: Bush compares Iraq to WW II / Himself to Roosevelt

    I'd like to read a full transcript to see exactly waht he said.
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    Re: Bush compares Iraq to WW II / Himself to Roosevelt

    Quote Originally Posted by WilyMoROCKS

    In an attached AOL Poll, they asked whether or not you felt that Bush's comparison of Iraq to WW II was a valid comparison. At the time that I participated in the poll, 88% said NO (12% said YES).

    It went on to ask whether or not you felt that the comparison to Vietnam was accurate. 79% said YES (21% said NO).

    That's pretty telling, IMO.
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    Re: Bush compares Iraq to WW II / Himself to Roosevelt

    Quote Originally Posted by redsrule2500
    They are using AOL - they have to be pretty stupid.
    Wow... what an intelligent, informed response. Maybe we could set-up a similar poll question on this board and see how different things turned out?

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    Re: Bush compares Iraq to WW II / Himself to Roosevelt

    Yeah, anybody who can't see the parallels between Iraq and WWII must be pretty stupid... or maybe they just actually possess a pair of eyes and a pulse?

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    Re: Bush compares Iraq to WW II / Himself to Roosevelt

    Quote Originally Posted by pedro
    I'd like to read a full transcript to see exactly waht he said.
    Exactly. The headline is completely MISLEADING. The only comparison I read in that story was about attempting to turn Iraq into a democratic society. This is comparable to what happened to Japan.

    The president was talking at a function relative to WWII. We are fighting a war in Iraq. For him to state that they are trying to make Iraq into a democracy like Japan after their defeat in WWII is understandable. People can Howard Dean it to death and make comments putting down the leader of our country. That is the right of American citizens. That was not the right of Iraqi citizens during the Saddam years. A Howard Dean type in Saddam-Iraq would have been buried in the Iraqi desert with a bullet in his brain.

    WilyMoRocks... I think you completely missed the point. You obviously do not like the president. That is your right. But try not to put words into the mouths of others.... incl. the president. Because you might make yourself look stupid in the process. Give us the full transcript of what the president said. Then tell us how many parallels were drawn between the two. To say that Japan was not turned into a democracy after WWII is not correct. I hope you understand that. We are trying to turn Iraq into a democracy. To say that is not true is not correct.
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    Re: Bush compares Iraq to WW II / Himself to Roosevelt

    Quote Originally Posted by redsrule2500
    They are using AOL - they have to be pretty stupid.
    Oh boy, now I have to go and tell my Dad he's pretty stupid... Of course, considering the topic it might be hard since my Dad is a WWII vet who spent 3.5 years as a Japanese POW - then stayed in the Navy (20 years total) and then served 20 years as a police officer.
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    Re: Bush compares Iraq to WW II / Himself to Roosevelt

    No comparison to WWII and no comparison to Vietnam... both comparisons are stupid.

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    Re: Bush compares Iraq to WW II / Himself to Roosevelt

    Quote Originally Posted by RedFanAlways1966
    Exactly. The headline is completely MISLEADING. The only comparison I read in that story was about attempting to turn Iraq into a democratic society. This is comparable to what happened to Japan.

    The president was talking at a function relative to WWII. We are fighting a war in Iraq. For him to state that they are trying to make Iraq into a democracy like Japan after their defeat in WWII is understandable. People can Howard Dean it to death and make comments putting down the leader of our country. That is the right of American citizens. That was not the right of Iraqi citizens during the Saddam years. A Howard Dean type in Saddam-Iraq would have been buried in the Iraqi desert with a bullet in his brain.

    WilyMoRocks... I think you completely missed the point. You obviously do not like the president. That is your right. But try not to put words into the mouths of others.... incl. the president. Because you might make yourself look stupid in the process. Give us the full transcript of what the president said. Then tell us how many parallels were drawn between the two. To say that Japan was not turned into a democracy after WWII is not correct. I hope you understand that. We are trying to turn Iraq into a democracy. To say that is not true is not correct.
    I didn't write the article. I don't *think* I said anything that could be construed as trying to put words into the mouth of anyone else?I made my statement about Iraq and WWII, but that was not coming from the article, just my own observations, combined with the poll. When you've got 90% of a polled populace answering a certain way, even if the respondees are "stupid AOL users," I think staggering numbers like that make quite a statement. It isn't saying anything about Bush,,, just the comparison of Iraq and WWII. I don't need to see the full transcript of Bush's speech to reach that decision; I can do that on my own.

    As far as my statement saying that Iraq is nothing like WWII, I make that assertion not from having read this article but from my collegiate double-major in American Studies & History wherein I focused primarily on Military History and the history of America.
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    Re: Bush compares Iraq to WW II / Himself to Roosevelt

    Bush compared his resolve now to President Franklin D. Roosevelt's in the 1940s and said America's mission in Iraq is to turn it into a democratic ally just as the U.S. did with Japan after its 1945 surrender.
    I think that is about as far as any comparison went. He wasn't comparing the wars per say IMO.

    But I'd have to say his resolve is facing a far greater test then FDR's, seeing how the Iraq war has had it's opposition.
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    There's a fine line between being a briliant genius and a fool. FDR falls in the Brilliant category.

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    Getting sucker punched in the gut as a nation just doesnt get you as far as it used to anymore.


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