Sensible Yankees fans don't care about Brandon Claussen. He was never part of the long range plan for the Bombers. If he hadn't gone to the Reds, he'd have gone somewhere else that winter.Originally Posted by Falls City Beer
He went away for a guy who delivered the Yankees a moment that's seared permanently into Yankee lore. That's what Yankees fans care about. If we're also happy with the trade, good for us. They win and move on.
I'm not a system player. I am a system.
Weathers in to save it.
That's not a relaxing situation
I don't see the deal on the Beane resume where he has traded a good offensive player for 3 good arms. He has had a bunch of top offensive players(Giambi, Chavez, Tejada, etc). I am missing the trades where he dealt those guards for a group of good arms.
The Beane methodology has been han on to star offensive players or let then walk and get the draft picks.
Last edited by flyer85; 09-24-2005 at 10:13 PM.
Yeah, and the Yanks got demolished in the Series. Ashes in any Yankee fans mouth. Kissing yer sister. Smoking the seeds. Deliver a championship or bugger off is what any Yankee fan I've ever met believes.
Yanks fans and players will probably be watching from their Barcaloungers this postseason. Money's never an object for the Yankees, but talent is never not an object for any team.
“And when finally they sense that some position cannot be sustained, they do not re-examine their ideas. Instead, they simply change the subject.” Jamie Galbraith
Yeah. I was telling MWM that Narron was channelling Lloyd McClendon that inning.
I agree with you about Beane being able to get 3 good arms for Dunn. Of course he wouldn't have to cause he'd never sign guys like Ortiz and Milton. Plus I would think Bean would just love a guy like Dunn who brings that high OBP and SLG to the table. He'd probably build a shrine to him and sign him to a long term deal.
Weathers is in. Be afraid. Be very afraid.
wow ... a Tucker sighting
Michael Tucker is in, beware of the curse of former Reds
Booo! we wanted a Graves type outing from Weathers!
Sure the fans may hate the down time of so many pitching changes, but I hope your kidding about MLB banning the managers choice of bringing in a relief pitcher.
"...You just have a wider lens than one game."
--Former Reds GM Wayne Krivsky, on why he didn't fly Josh Hamilton to Colorado for one game.
"...its money well-spent. Don't screw around with your freedom."
--Roy Tucker, on why you need to lawyer up when you find yourself swimming with sharks.
I don't see why you'd limit yourself to bats. Beane dealt two big arms this offseason. The Tim Hudson deal fizzled, but the Mark Mulder has been gangbusters.
More importantly, reviewing Beane's track record as a GM do you have any doubt the man has the ability to identify good young pitchers?
I'm not a system player. I am a system.
I understand the concern of the entertainment of the fan but a manager needs to be able to give his team the best chance to win. Isn't winning what the fans want most?
That right ... and he got 1 quality arm for Mulder in Haren(and he was a guy that had done nothing but struggle at the ML level). Calero is a middle releiver slider specialist and Barton may turn out to be special. Having said that, front line starters have a higher trade value than OFs do.
Beane has built his success on drafting anf developing a bunch of players and filling in around those with guys acquired undervalue(either through minor trades or FA sigining.)
The Reds don't have the Hudsons, Mulders, Zitos, Crosby, Blantons, Johnsons, Streets, Swishers, etc to show for there drafting efforts.
The Yankees have the luxury of nearly limitless cash. They don't keep projects like Claussen.
I know plenty of Yankees fans and to a person, they'd make the Boone trade again and get a better ump crew for that World Series.
I'm not a system player. I am a system.
I submit that maybe they'd be wise to keep some projects. Not to save money, but to have talent on hand.
The Yanks have become really bad at throwing around their money (does anyone on Earth think the Yankees wouldn't be better off with Claussen pitching in Jaret Wright's spot in the rotation?)
“And when finally they sense that some position cannot be sustained, they do not re-examine their ideas. Instead, they simply change the subject.” Jamie Galbraith
It's one thing to give your team the best chance to win but is he really doing that or just trying not to get second guessed? It's like platooning. How are you ever going to be able to get a left handed hitter out - if you're a right handed pitcher (and vice versa) - if you never get toface him with the game on the line? Narron brings Coffey in. 1st batter hits a double and Narron yanks him. He can't give him the opportunity to get out of a jam? He brings in Shackelford and only lets him pitch to lefties. Then Belisle can only pitch to righties. It's a classic case of overmanaging.
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