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    Re: Cross Your Fingers

    More good luck to you TC2
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    One more quick update. I am scheduled to meet with the Devil Rays again on Dec 1. Now that the ship is coming together they will begin filling in the rest of the pieces. The Braves have made a decent offer and I am just waiting on the outcome of the Dec 1 meeting to make a decision. Hope everyone had a great Thanksgiving.
    It's absolutely pathetic that people can't have an opinion from actually watching games and supplementing that with stats. If you voice an opinion that doesn't fit into a black/white box you will get completely misrepresented and basically called a tobacco chewing traditionalist...
    Cedric 3/24/08

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    I received the "good news" tonight. (Nice X-Mas present) After weeks of negotiating and several sleepless nights trying to decide what to do... I chose the Devil Rays and vice versa. The Braves were in the mix and were as classy as could be expected. John Schuerholz, Dayton Moore, Roy Clark and Matt Price were PHENOMENAL to work with. However, I felt like I would be just another fish in a pretty big pond.

    I will be joining the D-Rays Player Development staff. Quite a unique situation in Tampa Bay. They have changed their front office structure and job titles. Gerry Hunsicker has laid out the plan. There is a lot of room for growth and the ability to be seen and heard is important. I believe in their plan and can't wait to get started.

    Thanks for everyone's support!!
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    It's absolutely pathetic that people can't have an opinion from actually watching games and supplementing that with stats. If you voice an opinion that doesn't fit into a black/white box you will get completely misrepresented and basically called a tobacco chewing traditionalist...
    Cedric 3/24/08

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    Great news TC, congratulations! Best of luck in the future and I hope you can keep us updated. I've really enjoyed reading your inside information
    More often than not, when someone is telling me a story all I can think about is that I can't wait for them to finish so that I can tell my own story that's not only better, but also more directly involves me.

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    Killer!

    Scout to contact, baby!

    Makes all the routine posts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Team Clark
    I received the "good news" tonight. (Nice X-Mas present)
    And all I got was Tony Womack in my stocking.

    Seriously, congratulations on the new job. I was thinking about this thread today after finally getting around to reading BA's roundtable with Bowden, Dombrowski, Beinfest, and Purpura.

    It's too bad about you having to move to Tampa and it sounds like you'll lose some real serious face time in Hotlanta, but this may be the better of the two options. It could be a real chance to make a difference and you'll be able to get your name out there for other organizations as well. Hopefully it puts you on the faster track. Good luck TC and don't forget us here at RedsZone. We want some, well, I want some comp tix when the Reds play the D-Rays in interleague. Oh yea', don't forget the "nice ass" metric. It works. Now, go get your work done.

    "Get your work done, do it well, and then you get to do the next thing." --Larry Beinfest (Marlins)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reds Nd2
    And all I got was Tony Womack in my stocking.

    Seriously, congratulations on the new job. I was thinking about this thread today after finally getting around to reading BA's roundtable with Bowden, Dombrowski, Beinfest, and Purpura.

    It's too bad about you having to move to Tampa and it sounds like you'll lose some real serious face time in Hotlanta, but this may be the better of the two options. It could be a real chance to make a difference and you'll be able to get your name out there for other organizations as well. Hopefully it puts you on the faster track. Good luck TC and don't forget us here at RedsZone. We want some, well, I want some comp tix when the Reds play the D-Rays in interleague. Oh yea', don't forget the "nice ass" metric. It works. Now, go get your work done.

    "Get your work done, do it well, and then you get to do the next thing." --Larry Beinfest (Marlins)
    Thank you. Fortunately, as it stands, I will not have to move the family. Although I will be spending a considerable amount of time in Tampa. Looks like I will have to get a 1 BR apartment though. I will be in Tampa from Feb 1st through the first week of April for sure. Parts of July, August and most of October. That is what is on the drawing board. I'll have several stops in Durham in May, June and July. I'll be spending three weeks with the rookies after the draft. Player development is more hands on than scouting. Couldn't be more pleased.
    It's absolutely pathetic that people can't have an opinion from actually watching games and supplementing that with stats. If you voice an opinion that doesn't fit into a black/white box you will get completely misrepresented and basically called a tobacco chewing traditionalist...
    Cedric 3/24/08

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    Congratulations and Best Wishes, TC!
    Can't win with 'em

    Can't win without 'em

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    Re: Cross Your Fingers

    Best of luck tc and know I wish you well and hope to see you progress upwards in your dream

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    Re: Cross Your Fingers

    TC, hey, maybe you can help a team out....any chance you can swing an excellent young pitcher too the Reds for Tony Womack? You know, all this chatter about how poorly Milton has done with the Reds is realy overblown...I am certain if he were in Tampa he would be doing a lot better...Wilson? Hello?, are you there?!?!

    Kidding aside, congratulations!
    "Sometimes, it's not the sexiest moves that put you over the top," Krivsky said. "It's a series of transactions that help you get there."

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    Re: Cross Your Fingers

    Nice gig!

    Good luck!

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    Congrats!! Remember us little people when you make the big time...

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    Hey, TC - have fun down there - make the DRays competetive!

    And, hey, if you dress up like a rabbit in the locker room for some authentic apparel, remember your ol' pal Heath here in a size XXL.
    Some people play baseball. Baseball plays Jay Bruce.

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    I've enjoyed reading your description of this whole process and CONGRATULATIONS!!

    This is what I've wanted to do since I was a litlte kid, I'm still currently a senior in college and will graduate in May. What's your advice for getting started? I'd really appreciate it if you could shoot me a PM just to let me know what I should do following graduation. I know you're busy and all, so whenever you can get a chance.

    Congratulations once again and best of luck!!

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    There are some nice articles recently added to Baseball America's site on that very subject,WilyMo.

    http://www.baseballamerica.com/today...219gmtips.html


    So You Want To Work In Baseball?
    There's no magic formula for getting into the game, but here are 10 tips

    By Alan Schwarz
    December 19, 2005

    2005 General Manager Package:
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    • Fighting To Get In: Getting To The Top Isn't Easy
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    The math isn’t difficult. With more than 1,000 young people vying for maybe 50 open positions in baseball front offices every year, landing one of them is baseball’s version of winning the lottery. But unlike the Pick 6, this isn’t blind luck. Sense and strategy can put you at the top of any team’s list.

    As Braves assistant general manager Frank Wren puts it, no “magic elixir” will impress an organization and get you that first opportunity. But everyone in the business has his or her two cents about starting out properly. Here are the 10 best pieces of advice we've heard:

    1. Show Work Ethic And Passion

    Will you make airport runs to pick up minor leaguers? “Of course.” Will you photocopy and collate scouting reports while manning the office phone? “You betcha.” Will you make a McDonald’s run at 2 a.m. during draft all-nighters? “Can I supersize that for you?” Nothing can be beneath an entry-level baseball employee, so embrace it all--now. “Nothing can take the place of passion for the game--that’s the main requirement,” Royals general manager Allard Baird says. Almost every GM agrees, but that’s only the first step.

    2. Make The Calls

    Going to the Winter Meetings job fair is great one-stop shopping, but call every team’s human resources department every three months to inquire about internships. Each club typically has a position open somewhere once a year. “We bring in an intern every summer to help with scouting and major league operations,” A’s assistant GM David Forst says. When you learn of a position, immediately apply, preferably with something in your letter and resume specifically geared toward that team and what they’re looking for. In that regard . . .

    3. Be Different

    Ten years ago, someone with an MBA, law degree or internship with the NHL would stand out from the pack and grab insiders’ eyes. Now there are dozens of excellent candidates applying for every position across professional baseball. So demonstrate that there’s something unique about your candidacy and qualifications. “Give me something no one else has done,” Nationals GM Jim Bowden says. “Show that you’re innovative--something that separates yourself from the 300 other resumes I get.” You can bet that being fluent in Spanish and perhaps another language--scoutspeak doesn’t count--will vault you up the list.

    4. Network, Baby

    Almost every person in baseball has a story about meeting someone who helped them break in. (Usually, it’s Roland Hemond.) When you go to a game, talk with scouts before first pitch, ask about how they do their jobs, get their business cards, follow up with a thank-you note, take them to lunch. “Everybody likes to talk about themselves,” Dodgers assistant GM Kim Ng jokes, “and every once in a while you get a guy who just thinks you’re the greatest.” When an entry-level spot opens at their next organization meetings, they’ll remember this eager, hard-working kid they met at the ballpark. As with many industries, it’s not just who you know, but who knows you. One other tactic: Scour clubs for people who attended the same college you did. Almost everyone is predisposed to helping a fellow alum.

    5. Don't Play Favorites

    Even if you prefer the business side to the baseball side, the majors to the minors, administrative to on-field scouting, don’t limit yourself at the start. First, there aren’t enough positions around to be picky. Second, versatility is what will make you an attractive candidate to move up in your organization or another. “We’re a small enough industry where you get in, show what you can do,” Mets assistant GM John Ricco says. “We’re small enough where people move around early.”

    6. Be Humble

    You don’t know anything. Get used to it. Even if you have grand plans for streamlining player development or scouting Chinese shortstops, nothing turns off an executive more than a know-it-all. Profess a willingness to learn what you don’t know before professing what you do. Beyond that, sharp executives call smell frauds instantly. “It’s true knowledge versus fan knowledge,” Wren says. “When I detect that someone has true knowledge and a passion, then we can start going down that path. When you realize it’s just fan knowledge . . . ”

    7. Forget The Great Debate

    Raising the torch for either traditional scouting or new statistical methods is for bar rooms, not interview rooms. And a contemptuous smirk at either side will show you the other side of the door almost instantly. Even if you have a predisposition toward one camp or the other, demonstrate that you can play nice with others. If you’re a former player, show you want to learn about the administrative side. If you’re an MBA, say you want to dive into on-field scouting. Or better yet, show that you already have started either process on your own. Arguments can be healthy--but only after you earn respect, not demand it.

    8. Advance Scout

    Study the background of every baseball person you might come into contact with. Know where they played, who their managers were. Know the scout who signed them. Know what route they took into their current position. Ask unprompted questions like, “What did you learn working for the Indians under Hank Peters?” This will help you on two levels: One, you’ll appear knowledgeable with an appreciation for the game’s history, and two, it’s a subtle stroke of the ego that works.

    9. Be Persistent

    Jobs open up so infrequently that you need to follow up with your contacts to reaffirm your interest and make sure nothing slips past you. But also remember you’re one of hundreds of candidates, and current executives have far more pressing matters to worry about than whether you’re the person for a far-off entry-level opening. “Be persistent, but not a pest,” Tigers GM Dave Dombrowski says. “Use common sense.” One or two memorable conversations will always go further than 10 just-checking-ins.

    10. Get Beyond Passion

    Nothing will kill your candidacy more than the oft-used line, “I just want to work in baseball.” It sounds humble, earnest and passionate--but betrays a misunderstanding of what teams truly value. They aren’t hiring people who want to be in baseball--they’re hiring people who can do the job. Will you be an important part of their operation? Can you do things no one else can? Will you make it easier for your higher-ups to get their own jobs done? That is what they’ll pay you for. If you’re lucky.
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