nicely done...Originally Posted by ochre
HOWEVER, allow me to remind a few of you about a team some thirty years ago in cincinnati that won the world series back to back with a group of pitchers not altogether of different caliber than the current crop. Sure Nolan/Gullet had careers which were statistically a cut above anything on the current staff but as for the other starters (all the Billinghams, Darcys, Kirbys, Alcalas, Normans, Zachrys etc.) if you adjust up their career ERAs ~ .75 to allow for the greater run scoring in today's game they end up looking statistically surprisingly similar to Corey Lidle, Ramon Ortiz, Paul Wilson, Aaron Harang, Eric Milton etc.......etc....
Sure the performances of Reds pitchers have stunk the last 3 years (apart from bullpen first half of 2003) but part of the problem is that in recent years Reds pitchers UNDER ACHIEVE when they put on the Red uniforms.
If I'm not mistaken Reds have had ONE hall of fame pitcher in the last 30 years, Tom Seaver and maybe a hanful of All Stars (Dibbles, Myers, Rijos, Sotos, Charltons, Armstrongs..??). It's a Reds tradition to rely on strong EVERY DAY lineups. Why have Reds pitching staffs in recent years so grossly under performed relative to the over achieving staffs of Reds history?
Certainly, an infield of Rose, Concepcion, Morgan, Perez, Bench would be a bit more inspiring to a pitcher then EE, Lopez, 2B du jour, Casey, LaRue. Just by association you could likely get more out of pitchers by surrounding them with that caliber of talent. Could it be that what some have suggested about recent reds teams related to "lack of leadership", "lack of intensity", "lack of committment" etc.. etc...could be playing more of a part in under-performing pitching performances than one might initially think?