Ortiz had an ERA of 5.31 in 430 IP as a starter in 2002-2004 for the Angels. Only the blind didn't see his 2005 coming.Originally Posted by BadFundamentals
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Ortiz had an ERA of 5.31 in 430 IP as a starter in 2002-2004 for the Angels. Only the blind didn't see his 2005 coming.Originally Posted by BadFundamentals
I am still wondering which entity will bear the economic burden within your plan to make GABP more attractive to free agent pitchers...and then where the money will come from to pursue said free agent pitchers.Originally Posted by BadFundamentals
Yes, facts are facts. The problem is that your theories have little-to-nothing to do with facts. If they did, you'd find that more people would agree with you and that you'd be wrong less. Instead, you continue to position your unsubstantiated opinion as fact and then circle back on it when it suits you.Originally Posted by BadFundamentals
If you haven't figured it out yet, folks have noticed that all of your "theories" begin and end with faulty premises. You're the king of circular logic.
And yes, when someone points out that a guy like Ramon Ortiz was a pile of poo for multiple seasons before joining the Reds, it IS disingenuous to continue to attempt to use him as someone who suddenly got worse when he donned a Reds uniform.
"The problem with strikeouts isn't that they hurt your team, it's that they hurt your feelings..." --Rob Neyer
"The single most important thing for a hitter is to get a good pitch to hit. A good hitter can hit a pitch that’s over the plate three times better than a great hitter with a ball in a tough spot.”
--Ted Williams
The old adage is pitching AND defense win championships.....
Improve the defense and you improve the pitching.
And with the Reds, they both could use all the help they can get.
The Reds can't attract any big name FA's (remember Kenny Rogers?) because they would have to financially top the going market price, aka the highest bidder, and they can't even afford the going market price.
I don't know if anyone has noticed, but they haven't been able to attract ANY big name, top end starting pitchers for about 15 years now. And most realistically, they haven't attracted a "name" since Seaver.
Look at their history and star pitching just hasn't been an integral part of the Reds saga. A few exceptions though. And that is not about to change this off season.
I am more encouraged by a possible trade. Then, most pitchers, can't refuse to show up.
I assume by "attracted" you mean traded for? Rogers had a no-trade clause in his contract and turned down a trade. He was not a Free agent.Originally Posted by Milezinni
Seaver was acquired in a trade as well:
So, by those modified conditions, the Reds have not "attracted" top pitching talent since Denny Neagle, or so? Sure. I'll buy that. Of course others might try to convince you that when they "attracted" Ortiz from LAAA they were acquiring the equivalent of top talent, but for the fact that Cincinnati has some mystical ability to make pitchers worse once they get there.June 15, 1977: Traded by the New York Mets to the Cincinnati Reds for Pat Zachry, Doug Flynn, Steve Henderson, and Dan Norman.
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Let's pause 10 seconds for station identification...all along the RedZone Radio Network........
Now back to the Original Question....should fences be moved back....or not...Vote Now!
Some people play baseball. Baseball plays Jay Bruce.
No, my point was that the Reds are not attractive to the top tier pitchers, whether it's via FA or trade.
Rogers was just as obvious example I knew most people would remember.
And Neagle, if I remember correctly, was coming off some kind of injury when he signed here.
he didn't sign here. We traded for him.Originally Posted by Milezinni
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That's true but only to a point. We could have the infield of the 99 Mets here and it would only improve the pitching so much. Unless this improved defense can catch all these balls that are going over the fence, it's not going to help enough.Originally Posted by Milezinni
I don't know how they can move the fences back at GAB.
If you think small, you'll go nowhere in life.
John Smiley says hi.Originally Posted by Milezinni
"Baseball players are smarter than football players. How often do you see a baseball team penalized for too many men on the field?" ~ Jim Bouton
The rest of the free world recognizes that the human brain has two sides. Yes, we have the "left side" which in the free world processes things in a "linear, sequential, logical etc..etc..." manner. Then in the brains of the free world we have the "right brain" which is a place for less concrete, intuitive, abstract thought. Some how in the evolution of the redszone the poor right brains were overtaken. Evidently they were trampled by strikeouts, errant throws or poisoned by fancy formulas.Originally Posted by Chip R
You young chip should put out an APB for your lost hemisphere.
Anybody know the distance from home plate to the backstop? I don't think it is very far, but moving home plate backwards might be a possibility. Allowing more distance there would have been a logical move when building the ballpark, not knowing how it would play. It would have at least given them an option.Originally Posted by Krusty
You can also always raise the height. Combining extending distance a tad and making them higher could be very signicant change...Originally Posted by RANDY IN CHAR NC
Originally Posted by BadFundamentals
You talking about raising the fences? Much of the area behind the fence are seating sections.
You would raise the entire outfield seating area? Seats and all? Think about that task.:thumbdown
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