Tyronne Carter. Basically the 53rd man coming out of camp, only made the roster because he played special teams better than another safety they cut.Originally Posted by westofyou
He is a loudmoth who talks better than he plays. I dislike him and I am a life-long Steeler fan.
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I'm just wondering...
Does every hit that occurs during a QB's follow-through qualify as "late" when the defensive player has no possible way of seeing the ball being released? We can muse that the words "Ball Out" were screamed at the top of the ref's lungs, but if that happened it was as Kimo hit Palmer- not seconds before.
I've watched that replay over and over this morning and still can't find the opportunity window between the release and the hit for a 300-pound man falling forward to stop himself even if we assume he knew what he couldn't possibly see (that the ball was released). Even the stills show that Palmer was hit by a man who was falling forward even before he released the ball.
Sorry, but I just don't see it.
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Even if Kimo couldn't see that the ball was released, that doesn't give him license to make a late hit. If I don't see a speed limit sign posted, a cop isn't going to give me a free pass for going 120 MPH down a country road. Ignorance is not a defense.
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Kimo was not in any way shoved toward Palmer's leg by a Bengal OL--his momentum was halted by the OL and Kimo flopped himself--deliberately--at a stationary Palmer. It was a total "message-sender" of a hit.
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I can't either, it looked blatantly intentional.
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sava, that wasn't a "Release...one...two...bang!". That was a "Release-bang!".
With the momentum he had going, couldn't have stopped moving down and forward even if he wanted to. In any case, it appears you'd be expecting all defensive players to stop in anticipation of the release rather than post-release. That just doesn't happen and we see QB's hit consistently during their follow-through and nothing's called.
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"The single most important thing for a hitter is to get a good pitch to hit. A good hitter can hit a pitch that’s over the plate three times better than a great hitter with a ball in a tough spot.”
--Ted Williams
if you've never seen a pass rush before.
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"Defensively speaking"... that could be true for us Bengals fans!
Uh-huh. That's why the offensive lineman in the pic below is hunched over during the process of shoving Kimo down and in.
In the "hit" pic, we see the same offensive lineman turned directly towards Palmer. That happens after you've shifted your weight in order to PUSH something a different direction than it's originally going.
Kimo was going outside. The offensive lineman TURNED him with force down and inside. Unless you're trying to re-invent physics, you can't possibly end up a place where Kimo's momentum is "stopped" at any point during that play.
"The problem with strikeouts isn't that they hurt your team, it's that they hurt your feelings..." --Rob Neyer
"The single most important thing for a hitter is to get a good pitch to hit. A good hitter can hit a pitch that’s over the plate three times better than a great hitter with a ball in a tough spot.”
--Ted Williams
Those two photos are taken from two different cameramen in two different positions on the sidelines. They are the very definition of inconclusive. Heck, if I'm just unknowingly coming to that first, if I hadn't seen the play unfold on the field, I'd say from that pic that Kimo is diving at his knee deliberately, unaffected at all by the OL. But he wasn't diving directly--his forward momentum was stopped, he whirled and flung himself at Palmer's legs. That's what you're seeing in those photos, the post-roll "flop".Uh-huh. That's why the offensive lineman in the pic below is hunched over during the process of shoving Kimo down and in.
In the "hit" pic, we see the same offensive lineman turned directly towards Palmer. That happens after you've shifted your weight in order to PUSH something a different direction than it's originally going.
Kimo was going outside. The offensive lineman TURNED him with force down and inside. Unless you're trying to re-invent physics, you can't possibly end up a place where Kimo's momentum is "stopped" at any point during that play.
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watching the play happen, it never occured to me the controversy would over wheather it was a dirty play or not.
if this constitutes an illeagal hit/dirty play, then the NFL needs to change it rules to where the defense isn't actually alowed to make contact with the QB.
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Are there any sites that have video of the hit?
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Would have been nice revenge to see Chad Johnson take Troy Polomou's (or however you spell his name) 2 feet long hair and drag him to the ground by it after he intercepted Kitna's pass. I hate Pittsburgh and will never forgive them for this, yes I believe it was every bit intentional.
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If it was any Steeler than Kimo, I'd consider it dirty.
Kimo & Jerome Bettis are about the only two Steelers that have any type of brains.
It was not intentional. It was an accident.
Sincerely,
This Browns Fan watching it on TV at home.
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