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    Re: Report: Sox offer Ramirez, Clement for Tejada

    Here is how I would see it:

    Boston trades: OF Ramirez, LHP Jon Lester
    Boston receives: OF Joey Gathright, SS Miguel Tejada, OF Cliff Floyd

    Baltimore trades: SS Miguel Tejeda
    Baltimore receives: SS Julio Lugo, RHP Kris Benson

    NY Mets trades: RHPs Aaron Heilman, Kris Benson, OF Cliff Floyd, OF Victor Diaz
    NY Mets receives: OF Ramirez, RHP Danny Baez

    Tampa Bay trades: RHP Danny Baez, SS Julio Lugo, OF Joey Gathright
    Tampa Bay receives: RHP Aaron Heilman, LHP Jon Lester, OF Victor Diaz.
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    Re: Report: Sox offer Ramirez, Clement for Tejada

    More teams I read are involved the more I think nothing at all is going to happen
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    Re: Report: Sox offer Ramirez, Clement for Tejada

    Quote Originally Posted by Krusty
    Here is how I would see it:

    Boston trades: OF Ramirez, LHP Jon Lester
    Boston receives: OF Joey Gathright, SS Miguel Tejada, OF Cliff Floyd

    Baltimore trades: SS Miguel Tejeda
    Baltimore receives: SS Julio Lugo, RHP Kris Benson

    NY Mets trades: RHPs Aaron Heilman, Kris Benson, OF Cliff Floyd, OF Victor Diaz
    NY Mets receives: OF Ramirez, RHP Danny Baez

    Tampa Bay trades: RHP Danny Baez, SS Julio Lugo, OF Joey Gathright
    Tampa Bay receives: RHP Aaron Heilman, LHP Jon Lester, OF Victor Diaz.
    If I am Baltimore and thats whats on the table, I take my ball and go home.
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    Re: Report: Sox offer Ramirez, Clement for Tejada

    Quote Originally Posted by Krusty
    Problem is the Red Sox create more holes than what it solves.

    Frankly, I think they should send Ramirez and cash back to Cleveland for OF Coca Crisp and infielder Brandon Phillips. Then if I was the Red Sox I would look to sign OF Preston Wilson to possibly play either LF or CF...next to Crisp.
    If I was a Sox fan, I would be really pissed if they did this deal. Sure Coco can play CF, but Brandon Phillips can't even hit AAA pitching.
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    Re: Report: Sox offer Ramirez, Clement for Tejada

    Best scenario:

    Boston trades: Ramirez, Clement, Lester
    Boston receives: Floyd, Tejeda, Gathright.

    Baltimore trades: Tejeda
    Baltimore receives: Clement, Benson and Lugo.

    NY Mets trades: Floyd, Benson, Heilman and OF Diaz
    NY Mets receives: Ramirez, Baez.

    Tampa Bay trades: Lugo, Gathright, Baez
    Tampa Bay receives: Heilman, Lester, Diaz
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    Re: Report: Sox offer Ramirez, Clement for Tejada

    Quote Originally Posted by M2
    Here's what I will guarantee you, over the next three years Manny Ramirez's average OPS will run better than 100 points ahead of Miguel Tejada's.

    The club has a player in Tejada who's trying to gripe his way out of town

    I'd get me the masher and the pitcher with A stuff and stop messing with the Jeromy Burnitzes of the world.
    I think this is the key thing.. that Tejada wants out. So the O's would be smart to cash him in this winter. Of course, there's no guarantee that Manny won't start whining when he arrives in Balt too.

    If it weren't for Tejada wanting out, I'd be tempted to keep him over Manny though. Manny is an awesome hitter, but a horribly inconsistent defensive player because he doesn't pay attention. Tejada's production at a skill position (even though the OPS is lower) would make me want to keep him and try to upgrade the OF another way, if the complaining thing wasn't an issue.

    Clement working with Mazzone is intriguing, but I have a hunch that Clement could be had pretty easily now. Boston is obviously disenchanted with him, and would probably move him pretty easily. Even the Reds might have a shot to pry him away from Boston, I'd bet.. Although I doubt DanO would be interested.
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    Re: Report: Sox offer Ramirez, Clement for Tejada

    Quote Originally Posted by REDREAD
    Of course, there's no guarantee that Manny won't start whining when he arrives in Balt too.
    Let's not forget, he's a 10/5 guy. He (or his wife) might veto a trade to Baltimore in the first place.
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    Re: Report: Sox offer Ramirez, Clement for Tejada

    Bringing this back to update the situation. The complicated four way angle with BOS, BAL, TB and NYM had basically switched to two two-team negotiations with BOS and BAL trying to hammer out the Ramirez and Clement for Tejada deal for themselves. BOS wanted OF Nick Markakis included as well, and now BAL wants more than Ramirez and Clement back (probably money). I don't know if anything happens here.

    NYM had been focusing on TB as they were interested in Danys Baez, and to a lesser extent, Julio Lugo. It was thought they were close to getting Baez for Jae Seo and Kaz Matsui (with money being sent over to cover Matsui), but that's off now, as I just got word that the Mets have sent Seo and Tim Hamulack to LA for Duaner Sanchez and Steve Schmoll. Don't think word is out to the outlets on this one yet.

    If this goes through, BOS will probably get off Tejada for a while and try to get Lugo for themselves, and are allegedly willing to send Andy Marte to get it done. They may want Joey Gathright as well as Lugo for giving up Marte, we'll see. Lots of interesting stuff... you know, outside of Cincinnati.
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    Re: Report: Sox offer Ramirez, Clement for Tejada

    Also, I forgot to mention that the Mets have signed Bret Boone, so they will probably let him battle with Matsui for which one gets to stay. I think the TB trade angle for NYM is probably done unless they still try to get Baez for Heilman, but I don't think they want to give him up.

    Boone's contract is non-guaranteed minor league, BTW. He'll get a shot to win 2B from Kaz Matsui.
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    Re: Report: Sox offer Ramirez, Clement for Tejada

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    Re: Report: Sox offer Ramirez, Clement for Tejada

    Ya know, If Boston does deal Manny, I think they might be a great trading partner. I agree with M2 on trading Kearns, but i think Freel might be an even better fit. He's a top of the order guy that Boston fans will love. He fills Damon's shoes in CF, and if Boston keeps Clement out of the Manny trade, I think that's a good trade for both clubs. They'd demand Kearns though, and I'd be cool with that too.
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    Re: Report: Sox offer Ramirez, Clement for Tejada

    Quote Originally Posted by M2
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    Re: Report: Sox offer Ramirez, Clement for Tejada

    Quote Originally Posted by TRF
    Ya know, If Boston does deal Manny, I think they might be a great trading partner. I agree with M2 on trading Kearns, but i think Freel might be an even better fit. He's a top of the order guy that Boston fans will love. He fills Damon's shoes in CF, and if Boston keeps Clement out of the Manny trade, I think that's a good trade for both clubs. They'd demand Kearns though, and I'd be cool with that too.
    That makes way too much sense.
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    Re: Report: Sox offer Ramirez, Clement for Tejada

    But it's been rattling in my head for a while now. Freel to the Red Sox for either Clement or Arroyo would work for me. It would however force Bergolla into action as the 2B or cement the return or RA, but for improved pitching, I could live with either.
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    Re: Report: Sox offer Ramirez, Clement for Tejada

    Quote Originally Posted by TRF
    But it's been rattling in my head for a while now. Freel to the Red Sox for either Clement or Arroyo would work for me. It would however force Bergolla into action as the 2B or cement the return or RA, but for improved pitching, I could live with either.
    No, it would force Womack into Second base full-time (if he is not already) and then force either Olmedo or Bergolla into full-time utility duty.
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