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    Where Should Homer Start in 2006?

    I think it might be an interesting conversation, make your decision and give reasoning for each, whether it's due to his performance last year or the coddle/challenge approach.

    Some releavant info:
    2005:
    Code:
    W L  ERA  G GS CG SHO SV  IP  H  R  ER HR BB  SO 
    8 4 4.43 28 21  0  0  0 103.2 89 64 51  5 62 125
    Weighted Park Factors
    Posted by Cyclone in the ORG:
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    Team	         R   	 H   	 2B      HR      BB      SO
    Cincinnati	 1.02 	 1.00 	 1.04 	 1.16 	 0.96 	 1.02
    Louisville	 1.05 	 1.01 	 0.97 	 0.89 	 1.01 	 0.84
    Chattanooga	 1.17 	 1.13 	 1.03 	 1.21 	 1.13 	 1.02
    Sarasota	 0.94 	 0.95 	 1.06 	 0.61 	 1.09 	 1.02 
    Dayton	 	 1.05 	 0.98 	 0.84 	 1.04 	 0.87 	 0.86
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    Re: Where Should Homer Start in 2006?

    Sarasota.
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    Re: Where Should Homer Start in 2006?

    MLB!!!!!!!!!!!



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    Re: Where Should Homer Start in 2006?

    Sarasota

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    Re: Where Should Homer Start in 2006?

    I say Sarasota to start out. If he is progressing well, Then move him to AA mid season. Please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Do not move this kid up too quickly and ruin him just because there is noone else. How often have the Reds done that the past 10 years?!

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    Re: Where Should Homer Start in 2006?

    Quote Originally Posted by fourrunhomer
    I say Sarasota to start out. If he is progressing well, Then move him to AA mid season. Please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Do not move this kid up too quickly and ruin him just because there is noone else. How often have the Reds done that the past 10 years?!
    Probably never.

    I can't think of one stud pitcher we've moved too quickly.

    I can't think of too many stud pitchers we've had to be honest.

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    Re: Where Should Homer Start in 2006?

    Quote Originally Posted by Austin Kearns
    Probably never.

    I can't think of one stud pitcher we've moved too quickly.

    I can't think of too many stud pitchers we've had to be honest.
    Ty Howington got two promotions in 2001 at age 21. He was well-regarded at the time and then he blew up. Ricardo Aramboles was pitching in AA at age 20. Dustin Moseley got mid-season promotions in 2002, 2003 and 2004. Josh Hall got 44 IP in high A before he got yanked up to AA. Chris Gruler went from high school to A ball with only a quick stop in Billings. Ryan Wagner was in the majors the year he got drafted. Richie Gardner was in AA his first season in pro ball. Tyler Pelland's been overpromoted twice. If someone can explain to me what business Rafael Gonzalez and Philippe Valiquette had in Dayton last year I'm all ears. Calvin Medlock did well in Dayton in early 2004 and he got promoted. That's just off the top of my head.

    Pretty much every top arm the Reds have had in recent years has been overpromoted. Were any of them studs in the making? Probably not, but overzealous promotions certainly didn't help. For sure it eroded their trade value, preventing the Reds from cashing them in.
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    Re: Where Should Homer Start in 2006?

    Quote Originally Posted by M2
    Ty Howington got two promotions in 2001 at age 21. He was well-regarded at the time and then he blew up. Ricardo Aramboles was pitching in AA at age 20. Dustin Moseley got mid-season promotions in 2002, 2003 and 2004. Josh Hall got 44 IP in high A before he got yanked up to AA. Chris Gruler went from high school to A ball with only a quick stop in Billings. Ryan Wagner was in the majors the year he got drafted. Richie Gardner was in AA his first season in pro ball. Tyler Pelland's been overpromoted twice. If someone can explain to me what business Rafael Gonzalez and Philippe Valiquette had in Dayton last year I'm all ears. Calvin Medlock did well in Dayton in early 2004 and he got promoted. That's just off the top of my head.

    Pretty much every top arm the Reds have had in recent years has been overpromoted. Were any of them studs in the making? Probably not, but overzealous promotions certainly didn't help. For sure it eroded their trade value, preventing the Reds from cashing them in.

    I would agree with most of your post M2, but why add Richie Gardner? He performed very well in high A, then continued to perform well in AA, and basically followed the career path of most polished college pitchers. Yea, he did get injured this year, but I would think it is a tough argument to make that he was injured because he was overpromoted.

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    Re: Where Should Homer Start in 2006?

    Sarasota, the whole year.
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    Re: Where Should Homer Start in 2006?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillFunkyB
    Sarasota, the whole year.
    I totally agree with you. He didn't exactly dominate at Dayton. He should not be moved any higher than Sarasota this year. He still has a lot to work on before advancing.
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    Re: Where Should Homer Start in 2006?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillFunkyB
    Sarasota, the whole year.
    I dont really think you can go in with the mentality with any player. What happens if Homer goes through a half season of utterly dominating Single A? You still keep him where he isn't challenged? Personally i say sarasota until atleast June. If he is doing EXTREMELY well push him... if not leave him in Sarasota for another 2 months. If he is still posting sub 4 era, i give him a month or 2 Chattanooga otherwise keep him in Sarasota.


    And I don't mind the tandem. I dont want to see any labrums or TJs on homer. We can't afford another gruler/howington/Basham/Pauly/Aramboles/etc.....

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    Re: Where Should Homer Start in 2006?

    Quote Originally Posted by The_jbh
    I dont really think you can go in with the mentality with any player. What happens if Homer goes through a half season of utterly dominating Single A? You still keep him where he isn't challenged? Personally i say sarasota until atleast June. If he is doing EXTREMELY well push him... if not leave him in Sarasota for another 2 months. If he is still posting sub 4 era, i give him a month or 2 Chattanooga otherwise keep him in Sarasota.


    And I don't mind the tandem. I dont want to see any labrums or TJs on homer. We can't afford another gruler/howington/Basham/Pauly/Aramboles/etc.....
    What happens if he tears it up? You smile, pat him on the back and show some maturity by not progressing until he falls apart, that's what you do.

    If for once in a blue moon a Reds pitcher has an utterly dominating season, the organization should show the good sense to appreciate it without indulging the desperate, deep-seated, psycopathic urge to screw it up.

    Any kid who's being asked to take a baseball and throw it past hitters on a consistent basis is being challenged. He's being challenged to remain consistent. He's being challenged to stay healthy. He's being challenged to fight off fatigue as the season wears on. He's being challenged to remain dominant after the league gets a few looks at him and readies itself for what he's bringing to table.

    The job of the organization is to treat development like the long-term investment process it is and not react to every kid who does well like a lottery ticket that has to be cashed immediately.
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    Re: Where Should Homer Start in 2006?

    I don't care where he is as long as he starts and they quit using him in tandem situations.

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    Re: Where Should Homer Start in 2006?

    sarasota see how he does then if he deserves to be moved up to AA send him up we dont' need anymore brian reith disasters on our hands

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    Re: Where Should Homer Start in 2006?

    Sarasota and if he is overpowering than move him to double A Chattanooga. Be a nice reward for a great year. Definitely something for him to build on and look forward too.


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