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    Re: Who makes the 2006 Baseball Hall of Fame?

    It's sad that Doc Gooden probably won't get in.

    1985 is one of the greatest single season performances by a pitcher ever.
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    Re: Who makes the 2006 Baseball Hall of Fame?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillFunkyB
    It's sad that Doc Gooden probably won't get in.

    1985 is one of the greatest single season performances by a pitcher ever.
    Too Bad for Doc he had years 1987-1995.
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    Re: Who makes the 2006 Baseball Hall of Fame?

    I previously posted that I was on the fence with regard to Jim Rice. By chance, I happened to look at Rice's career stats on BaseballReference.com.
    I found that the most comparable hitter to Rice was Orlando Cepeda, who is in the HOF.
    Now I don't believe that just because one guy made the HOF that it necessarily follows that very other player with similar stats should also be in the HOF, and I also realize that Rice and Cepeda played different positions. Cepeda's stats may also be a bit better than those of Rice when you consider that Cepeda's prime years included the mid-1960s, a pitcher friendly era.
    Still.....consider these stats:
    Hits: Rice 2452, Cepeda 2351
    Runs: Rice 1249, Cepeda 1131
    HRs: Rice 382, Cepeda 379
    RBI: Rice 1451, Cepeda 1365
    Ave.: Rice .298, Cepeda .297
    OBP: Rice .352, Cepeda .350
    SLG: Rice .502, Cepeda .499
    All star selections: Rice 8, Cepeda 7
    MVP awards: Rice 1, Cepeda 1
    HR titles: Rice 3, Cepeda 1
    RBI titles: Rice 2, Cepeda 2
    HOF Monitor Score: Rice 146.5, Cepeda 113.5
    If Cepeda belongs in the HOF, it would seem that Rice does as well, at least based on these numbers.
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    Re: Who makes the 2006 Baseball Hall of Fame?

    Only about 25 minutes to go ...
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    Re: Who makes the 2006 Baseball Hall of Fame?

    Wetteland made the list twice. He must have a good chance.
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    Re: Who makes the 2006 Baseball Hall of Fame?

    Looks like Sutter's in ... and he's the only one. He didn't deserve it, but not the first ... oh well ... what I'm wondering is how Sutter makes it and Gossage doesn't, because that doesn't make much sense to me.
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    Re: Who makes the 2006 Baseball Hall of Fame?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclone792
    Looks like Sutter's in ... and he's the only one. He didn't deserve it, but not the first ... oh well ... what I'm wondering is how Sutter makes it and Gossage doesn't, because that doesn't make much sense to me.
    I found it interesting that Sutter is the only pitcher without a career start to make the Hall of Fame.
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    Re: Who makes the 2006 Baseball Hall of Fame?

    Here's the vote tally. 390 votes to get in/25 votes to stay on.

    Who the heck voted for Walt Weiss and Greg Jeffries...shouldn't voters take this a little more seriously?

    (Edit: Sorry for the list, the code tags don't seem to straighten it out.)

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    Player  Votes   % 
    Bruce Sutter  400  76.9% 
    Jim Rice  337  64.8% 
    Rich Gossage  336  64.6% 
    Andre Dawson  317  61.0% 
    Bert Blyleven  277  53.3% 
    Lee Smith  234  45.0% 
    Jack Morris  214  41.2% 
    Tommy John  154  29.6% 
    Steve Garvey  135  26.0% 
    Alan Trammell   92  17.7% 
    Dave Parker   75  14.4% 
    Dave Concepcion   65  12.5% 
    Don Mattingly   64  12.3% 
    Orel Hershiser   58  11.2% 
    Dale Murphy   56  10.8% 
    Albert Belle   40   7.7% 
    Will Clark   23   4.4% 
    Dwight Gooden   17   3.3% 
    Willie McGee   12   2.3% 
    Ozzie Guillen    5   1.0% 
    Hal Morris    5   1.0% 
    Gary Gaetti    4   0.8% 
    John Wetteland    4   0.8% 
    Rick Aguilera    3   0.6% 
    Gregg Jefferies    2   0.4% 
    Doug Jones    2   0.4% 
    Walt Weiss    1   0.2% 
    Gary DiSarcina    0   0.0% 
    Alex Fernandez    0   0.0%

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    Re: Who makes the 2006 Baseball Hall of Fame?

    to paraphrase Whitey: after Sutter came along, baseball was just different.

    He's a great choice.

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    Re: Who makes the 2006 Baseball Hall of Fame?

    Quote Originally Posted by princeton
    to paraphrase Whitey: after Sutter came along, baseball was just different.

    He's a great choice.
    Whitey will be his inducter is my bet.

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    Re: Who makes the 2006 Baseball Hall of Fame?

    Quote Originally Posted by princeton
    to paraphrase Whitey: after Sutter came along, baseball was just different.

    He's a great choice.
    I think collective memory remembers a Bruce Sutter that is much better than he really was. He had a grand total of 2 dominating season(77 and 79, 3 if you want to count 1984) and was just a good one for six others. Not HOF material in either quality of longevity.
    Last edited by flyer85; 01-10-2006 at 04:17 PM.
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    Re: Who makes the 2006 Baseball Hall of Fame?

    Quote Originally Posted by princeton
    to paraphrase Whitey: after Sutter came along, baseball was just different.

    He's a great choice.
    Nah, baseball was different after Sparky Anderson. Sutter was just early onto the bandwagon.
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    Re: Who makes the 2006 Baseball Hall of Fame?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ricardo Cabesa
    I think collective memory remembers a Bruce Sutter that is much better than he really was. He had a grand total of 2 dominating season(77 and 79, 3 if you want to count 1984) and was just a good one for six others. Not HOF material in either quality of longevity.
    yep, there is a beancounter argument.

    he was also SCARY.

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    Re: Who makes the 2006 Baseball Hall of Fame?

    Quote Originally Posted by princeton
    yep, there is a beancounter argument.

    he was also SCARY.
    The problem is that if qualifies then you can't make an argument to keep out Smith, Franco, Wagner, Hoffman, Rivera, Reardon, etc.

    Gossage become a no-brainer as he is much more qualified than Sutter.

    What does it say for a player like Albert Belle who was a excellent player for a 8 years(same as Sutter)?
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    Re: Who makes the 2006 Baseball Hall of Fame?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ricardo Cabesa
    The problem is that if qualifies then you can't make an argument to keep out Smith, Franco, Wagner, Hoffman, Rivera, Reardon, etc
    you can easily make the argument that it's not a Hall of Numbers

    most within the next group weren't scary, and none transformed the game.

    Rivera's in.


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