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  • Hank Aaron

    41 97.62%
  • Bobby Bonds

    4 9.52%
  • Johnny Callison

    0 0%
  • Jack Clark

    2 4.76%
  • Roberto Clemente

    40 95.24%
  • Rocky Colavito

    6 14.29%
  • Gavy Cravath

    1 2.38%
  • Sam Crawford

    25 59.52%
  • Kiki Cuyler

    6 14.29%
  • Andre Dawson

    16 38.10%
  • Dwight Evans

    8 19.05%
  • Elmer Flick

    3 7.14%
  • Ken Griffey, Sr.

    5 11.90%
  • Pedro Guerrero

    1 2.38%
  • Harry Heilmann

    15 35.71%
  • Tommy Henrich

    1 2.38%
  • Harry Hooper

    0 0%
  • Reggie Jackson

    39 92.86%
  • Fielder Jones

    0 0%
  • Al Kaline

    37 88.10%
  • Willie Keeler

    19 45.24%
  • King Kelly

    18 42.86%
  • Chuck Klein

    5 11.90%
  • Roger Maris

    12 28.57%
  • Tommy McCarthy

    0 0%
  • Bobby Murcer

    2 4.76%
  • Tony Oliva

    9 21.43%
  • Mel Ott

    35 83.33%
  • Dave Parker

    10 23.81%
  • Sam Rice

    12 28.57%
  • Frank Robinson

    39 92.86%
  • Babe Ruth

    41 97.62%
  • Ken Singleton

    0 0%
  • Enos Slaughter

    17 40.48%
  • Reggie Smith

    1 2.38%
  • Rusty Staub

    3 7.14%
  • Sam Thompson

    5 11.90%
  • Dixie Walker

    1 2.38%
  • Paul Waner

    22 52.38%
  • Dave Winfield

    28 66.67%
  • Ross Youngs

    1 2.38%
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Thread: RedsZone Hall of Fame - Right Fielders

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    RedsZone Hall of Fame - Right Fielders

    Vote for all RIGHT FIELDERS you believe should be in the Hall of Fame. This is a multiple-choice poll so you're allowed to vote for more than one player.

    We'll stick with the tier system that gives the older players a little bit better shot at election. In the efforts of encouraging everybody to vote, but also maintaining a somewhat level playing field for all eligible candidates, this is the tier system for support needed ...

    19th century (i.e. pre 1903): Need 2/5 support
    Early Modern (roughly 1903-1945): Need 1/2 support
    Integration (roughly 1945-1970): Need 5/8 support
    Post Integration (roughly 1970-present): Need 2/3 support

    The charts below are win shares data for all candidates. In order from left to right, the columns are career win shares, five-year peak win shares, win shares per 162 games, win shares during a player's top season and the predominant era each player played in (for purposes of the tier voting system). Happy voting!

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    Player          Career WS   Peak WS   WS per 162  Top Season       Era
    Hank Aaron          643        183       31.58         41       Integration
    Bobby Bonds         302        149       26.45         32       Post Integration
    Johnny Callison     241        136       20.70         32       Integration
    Jack Clark          316        118       25.67         33       Post Integration
    Roberto Clemente    377        146       25.10         35       Integration
    Rocky Colavito      273        133       24.02         33       Integration
    Gavy Cravath        202        144       21.51         35       Early Modern to WWII
    Sam Crawford        446        159       28.70         36       Early Modern to WWII
    Kiki Cuyler         292        116       25.17         34       Early Modern to WWII
    Andre Dawson        340        132       20.96         29       Post Integration
    Dwight Evans        347        122       21.57         31       Post Integration
    Elmer Flick         291        152       31.80         37       Early Modern to WWII
    Ken Griffey, Sr.    259        111       20.00         25       Post Integration
    Pedro Guerrero      246        134       25.94         35       Post Integration
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    Player          Career WS   Peak WS   WS per 162  Top Season       Era
    Harry Heilmann      356        154       26.84         35       Early Modern to WWII
    Tommy Henrich*      208        122       19.43         29       Early Modern to WWII
    Harry Hooper        321        118       22.53         29       Early Modern to WWII
    Reggie Jackson      444        148       25.50         41       Post Integration
    Fielder Jones       290        135       26.27         32       Early Modern to WWII
    Al Kaline           443        130       25.32         31       Integration
    Willie Keeler       333        131       25.41         32       19th Century
    King Kelly          278        130       30.95         35       19th Century
    Chuck Klein         238        140       21.99         31       Early Modern to WWII
    Roger Maris         224        135       24.80         36       Integration
    Tommy McCarthy      170        110       21.60         24       19th Century
    Bobby Murcer        277        146       23.51         38       Post Integration
    Tony Oliva          245        134       23.68         33       Integration
    Mel Ott             528        177       31.33         38       Early Modern to WWII
    
    * Missed playing time due to WWII
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    Player          Career WS   Peak WS   WS per 162  Top Season       Era
    Dave Parker         327        150       21.48         37       Post Integration
    Sam Rice            327        115       22.03         24       Early Modern to WWII
    Frank Robinson      519        164       29.94         41       Integration
    Babe Ruth           756        233       48.93         55       Early Modern to wWII
    Ken Singleton       302        153       23.49         36       Post Integration
    Enos Slaughter*     323        141       18.48         37       Integration
    Reggie Smith        325        129       26.49         29       Post Integration
    Rusty Staub         358        145       19.65         32       Post Integration
    Sam Thompson        236        114       27.17         29       19th Century
    Dixie Walker        278        133       23.64         33       Early Modern to WWII
    Paul Waner          423        154       26.88         36       Early Modern to WWII
    Dave Winfield       415        132       22.61         33       Post Integration
    Ross Youngs         206        132       27.55         33       Early Modern to WWII
    
    * Missed playing time due to WWII
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    Re: RedsZone Hall of Fame - Right Fielders

    I voted for:

    Aaron
    Clemente
    Crawford
    Jackson
    Kaline
    Ott
    Parker (yup, I'm a homer)
    Robinson
    Ruth
    Waner
    Winfield
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    Re: RedsZone Hall of Fame - Right Fielders

    Opps! I inadvertently failed to vote for Clemente. Boss, can you please correct my oversight?
    I otherwise voted for Aaron, Crawford, Heilmann, Jackson, Kaline, Ott, Robinson, Ruth, Slaughter, Waner and Winfield. I strongly considered voting for Flick, Keeler and Kelly, but finally did not do so.
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    Re: RedsZone Hall of Fame - Right Fielders

    Hank Aaron
    Roberto Clemente
    Sam Crawford
    Harry Heilmann
    Reggie Jackson
    Al Kaline
    Mel Ott
    Frank Robinson
    Babe Ruth
    Enos Slaughter
    Paul Waner
    Dave Winfield

    Dave Parker and Willie Keeler are two guys I was on the fence about, but ultimately decided not to vote for.
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    Re: RedsZone Hall of Fame - Right Fielders

    All right, who didn't vote for Babe Ruth?

    Let me stump for two old-timers here:

    King Kelly was, arguably, the biggest star of the 1800s. It comes down to him or Cap Anson. The man helped make the game. IMO, the HOF would have a huge, gaping hole without him in there. It's like trying to talk about American history and skipping over Ben Franklin.

    Sam Rice lost time to WWI and had less than 1,000 ABs prior to age 29 thanks to that and to folks not thinking a little guy like him could play the game. He had to battle his way in the majors and he wound up with 2,987 hits. Personally I consider him to have 3,006 career hits because I count the 19 he got in the postseason. He's the only player in baseball history who crosses over the 3,000-hit line if you count his postseason accomplishments (which, IMO, should be part and parcel of a player's career totals). He had no HR power, but he was a good doubles hitter and he was a triples machine. If ever a guy scratched and clawed his way into a HOF career, it was Sam Rice.
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    Re: RedsZone Hall of Fame - Right Fielders

    Quote Originally Posted by RedsBaron
    Opps! I inadvertently failed to vote for Clemente. Boss, can you please correct my oversight?
    Done...let me know if anyone else missed someone (*cough* Babe Ruth, Roberto Clemente, Frank Robinson, Mel Ott *cough*)

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    Re: RedsZone Hall of Fame - Right Fielders

    A couple of these are generous (Flick, Klein), but I voted for Aaron, Clemente, Crawford, Flick, Heilmann, Jackson, Kaline, Keeler, Kelly, Klein (maybe I just got carried away in the k's), Ott, Robinson, Ruth, Waner & Winfield.

    Sorry Mr. Slaughter, but I decided against it.

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    Re: RedsZone Hall of Fame - Right Fielders

    Poll closes Tuesday afternoon so just a little bump for anyone who may have missed it ...

    I will be getting the first part of the starting pitchers up in a few hours. There's well over 100 pitchers listed so I'm going to break it up into 3 polls. Trying to select as much as 50 guys in a list well over 100 deep is just asking for some bug-eyed voters
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    Re: RedsZone Hall of Fame - Right Fielders

    as of right now, Dave Winfield is not in. Something is wrong with that. He's about 1 or 2 votes shy. Same for King Kelly.
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    Re: RedsZone Hall of Fame - Right Fielders

    Quote Originally Posted by Jpup
    as of right now, Dave Winfield is not in. Something is wrong with that. He's about 1 or 2 votes shy. Same for King Kelly.
    And it's absurd that these two guys wouldn't make it.
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    Re: RedsZone Hall of Fame - Right Fielders

    I didn't originally vote for King Kelly, but admittingly my knowledge base for pretty much every player pre-1892 is seriously lacking. In fact, I imagine I'm much more familiar with Negro Leaguers than I am with the game in the 1870s/1880s, and that's not saying much at all. As M2 stated in an earlier post, King Kelly was pretty darn influential in shaping the game ... and that alone is Hall worthy, though I was a moron missed that on the first go-around.

    Also, since most everyone I've seen who is at least semi-familiar with that time period would put Kelly in the Hall, I'll take the good word that he unquestionably belongs. Boss, if you get a chance, please add a vote for King Kelly and Willie Keeler for me as I'd like to make those additions before the poll closes (if not, no worries, I'll be sure to manually add them in when the poll closes). I don't know why I didn't vote for Keeler ... all I can think of is some lingering hangover from New Year's
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    Re: RedsZone Hall of Fame - Right Fielders

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclone792
    I didn't originally vote for King Kelly, but admittingly my knowledge base for pretty much every player pre-1892 is seriously lacking.
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    RUNS CREATED/GAME               DIFF   PLAYER   LEAGUE     AB     
    1    King Kelly                 3.70     9.60     5.90     3694   
    2    Mike Tiernan               3.31     9.26     5.95     2341   
    3    Sam Thompson               2.77     8.79     6.02     3785   
    4    Oyster Burns               2.13     8.09     5.96     2440   
    5    Ed Swartwood               1.98     8.15     6.17     1740   
    6    Orator Shaffer             1.70     7.47     5.77     2091   
    7    Tommy McCarthy             1.45     7.51     6.05     2871   
    8    Chicken Wolf               0.74     6.77     6.03     4968   
    9    Mike Dorgan                0.05     5.88     5.83     2400   
    10   Jack Manning               -.02     5.47     5.49     2571

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    Re: RedsZone Hall of Fame - Right Fielders

    Aaron, Clemente, Colavito, Crawford, Dawson, Evans, Heilmann, Jackson, Kaline, Keeler, Kelly, Ott, Parker, Rice, Robinson, Ruth, Thompson, Waner, Winfield.

    I thought that Ruth, Aaron, Clemente, Robinson, Ott, Jackson, Kaline, and Kelly were the automatic choices.

    Chuck Klein was an interesting possibility, but he became very mortal after leaving the cozy confines of the Baker Bowl. So I voted "nay" on Klein.
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    Re: RedsZone Hall of Fame - Right Fielders

    Quote Originally Posted by Big Klu
    Chuck Klein was an interesting possibility, but he became very mortal after leaving the cozy confines of the Baker Bowl. So I voted "nay" on Klein.
    Klein was a Depression era Gavy Cravath


    Cravath's complete home and road splits

    In 552 games at Baker Bowl, Cravath batted .307 with a .563 slugging percentage. In 669 games at all other parks, he hit .271 and slugged .413. Per 154 games played at Baker Bowl, he averaged 482 at bats, 81 runs, 148 hits, 35 doubles, 6 triples, and 26 homers. Elsewhere, he averaged 512, 66, 139, 25, 15, and 6, respectively.

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    Re: RedsZone Hall of Fame - Right Fielders

    The final results ...

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    RedsZone Hall of Fame - Right Fielders
    
    Player                  % of votes
    Hank Aaron            97.62 percent
    Roberto Clemente      95.24 percent
    Sam Crawford          59.52 percent
    Reggie Jackson        92.86 percent
    Al Kaline             88.10 percent
    Willie Keeler         47.62 percent
    King Kelly            45.24 percent
    Mel Ott               83.33 percent
    Frank Robinson        92.86 percent
    Babe Ruth             97.62 percent
    Paul Waner            52.38 percent
    Dave Winfield         66.67 percent
    Up until this point, the position with the highest amount of players voted in was shortstop with 11 guys. Right field eclipsed that mark with RedsZone voters putting in 12 guys. Paul Waner was the last man in, making it with only one vote to spare. The two guys who are, IMO, the biggest slights are Harry Heilmann (35.71 percent) and Enos Slaughter (40.48 percent).
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