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    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by Junior#30:
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    16th round we selected Pitcher Jonathon George from 40 minutes away from me. One of my friends is good friends with him so hopefully I can get a scoop throughout the negotiation process.

    JONATHAN GEORGE CAMDEN CATHOLIC HS RHP R/R 6'3" 210 07/06/1984 HS 56k | 300k

    COMMENT: Big-boned, similar to Dave Burba. High leg kick. Live, quick arm with consistent near-average velocity. Some late sink to heavy fastball. Late-breaking, 11-to-5 curve could be out pitch. Also throws slider-like cutter. Effective straight change with deception. Strong arm, hard worker with excellent makeup. Bulldog. Father and uncle former pro pitchers. Nephew of Colorado scout Will George.

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    Hey, looks like the Reds finally grabbed a pitcher with reputation in the 16th round.

    Jonathan George a HS pitcher out of Camden, NJ was projected to go in rounds 2-5 by BA.

    Jonathan George, rhp
    George's rise to the top high school draft prospect in New Jersey says more about the talent in the state than his ability. He has a live arm with velocity up to 92 mph and a breaking ball that has a chance to be an average pitch. He's not overly athletic, and he may struggle keeping weight off his 6-foot-3, 220-pound frame. George, whose uncle Will is an advance scout for the Rockies, has committed to Nebraska but seems to be leaning toward pro ball.

    The magazine ranked him the #99 RHP in the draft.
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    Again, it's early--but I would trade our first three picks for the Cubs' first three:

    Bobby Brownlie (RHP, Rutgers)--may be the best pick in the draft
    Luke Hagerty (6'8" [ !] LHP, Ball State)--tall, power lefty
    Chadd Blasko (6'6" RHP, Purdue)--throws 91-93, good command

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    And for those who want to see what it looks like when a team concentrates on drafting big, college pitchers, I submit the following:

    <a href="http://mlb.mlb.com/components/draftday/mlb_draft_search_team_mon_1.html" target="_blank">http://mlb.mlb.com/components/draftday/mlb_draft_search_team_mon_1.html</a>

    Looks like Omar Minaya wanted to get some arms.

    And I'm with D-Man on this. The Cubs' first three picks look superior to the Reds', at least to me. Man, I was really hoping the Reds would get a chance at Hagerty.

    <small>[ 06-04-2002, 04:40 PM: Message edited by: M2 ]</small>
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    Steve - If you want a rhp with the 1A pick, why not just draft a pitcher? If you want a 3b with the #2 pick, why not just draft a 3b? That early in the draft, there should be enough top talent available that you don't have to make picks based on moving guys all over the diamond. Save those kind of picks for later on.

    And after Espinosa / Olmedo, the MI depth in the organization is pretty thin. Dawkins is quickly moving from prospect to suspect status based on his bat (or lack thereof). A high ceiling MI in the early rounds would have given some depth to the farm system. That depth would be a good thing in the event that Espinosa or Olmedo needs to be included in a deadline deal for a ML pitcher down the stretch.

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    I don't know nothin' 'bout no baseball drafts, but I do know that the "experts" in drafts seldom are correct. Maybe it is because they have to get so much info from miniscule scouting reports....I don't know.

    But I will say this....Mel Kiper and those who just about fell off their stools laughing up the Bengals for drafting Levi Jones are going to be eating their words by November.

    The Bengals appear to have made a HUGE steal in this kid.

    Now, I love to question the manager on the line up each night...but questioning this draft, or any other, seems to me to be a bit of a reach for "us fans."

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    Here's them big college pitchers!

    405 PATRICK CURRAN FORT HAYS ST U LHP R/L 6'7" 215 08/27/1979 4YR

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    435 CHRISTOPHER KAMIS ELGIN CC RHP R/R 6'5" 180 01/10/1982 JR

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    465 JONATHAN GEORGE CAMDEN CATHOLIC HS RHP R/R 6'3" 210 07/06/1984 HS 56k | 300k

    COMMENT: Big-boned, similar to Dave Burba. High leg kick. Live, quick arm with consistent near-average velocity. Some late sink to heavy fastball. Late-breaking, 11-to-5 curve could be out pitch. Also throws slider-like cutter. Effective straight change with deception. Strong arm, hard worker with excellent makeup. Bulldog. Father and uncle former pro pitchers. Nephew of Colorado scout Will George.
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    George is a HS pitcher Guernsey, but otherwise point well taken. 11+ rounds later they arrive <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

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    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by Red Storm:
    <strong>George is a HS pitcher Guernsey, but otherwise point well taken. 11+ rounds later they arrive <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Which means is was probably in the Reds formula for this draft. Interesting to get a little feedback.

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    A little more from teamone on OJ King

    OJ King
    Talequah (OK)
    Northwestern State
    position Pitcher
    height 6-foot-3
    weight 210 pounds
    class '02
    bats right
    throws right

    Bio Notes and Stats: King is a strong-armed right-handed pitcher who has top-five to seven round potential.

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    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by Red Storm:
    <strong>George is a HS pitcher Guernsey, but otherwise point well taken. 11+ rounds later they arrive <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Yeah, but he will go to college if the Reds don't sign him!

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    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by guernsey:
    <strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by Red Storm:
    <strong>George is a HS pitcher Guernsey, but otherwise point well taken. 11+ rounds later they arrive <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Yeah, but he will go to college if the Reds don't sign him!

    <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Yeah, I was actually thinking the same thing as I typed my response to you. Given the fact that I think George expected to be drafted considerably higher, it would not be surprising at all to see him take that scholarship offer and head out to Big 12 country afterall. We'll see. Then you'll be right about us drafting another big college pitcher, ex post facto.

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    i stepped out for a second, i see we selected

    Ben Lavender PELHAM HS C L/R 6'3" 185 02/10/1984 HS

    in the 17th round, but did anyone catch who we got in the 18th and 19th?

    Here is a little info on 12th rounder Mike Bassett

    Class:Senior
    Hometown:Paramus, NJ
    Height / Weight:6-2 / 205
    Position: Outfield
    Birthdate:02/10/1980
    Bats/Throws:L/L
    AT GW: First team All-Atlantic 10 last season...selected to the Verizon Atlantic 10 All-Championship team...led team with 14 home runs, 15 doubles and 230 at bats...second on the team with 59 RBIs...ranks in GWs top ten all-time in seven offensive categories...needs eight home runs to become GWs all-time leader...has 43 home runs during his GW career...led team with 15 home runs in 2000...tied for team lead with 72 RBIs...was third on the team in hits with 72...tremendous freshman campaign, batting .313 with 14 homers and 46 RBIs...finished third in the conference in home runs...recorded 12 multiple RBI games as a freshman, including six RBIs versus Xavier (4/30/99)...hit .545 with the bases loaded (in 11 chances)...back-to-back A-10 Rookie of the Week honors (5/3/99 and 5/10/99).

    HIGH SCHOOL: Member of All-State first team senior year...34 career home runs and 128 RBIs...high school league champions in 1997..All-County wrestler...placed third at state finals in the 171 lb. division..high school quarterback...totaled 1,350 passing yards.

    PERSONAL: Born February 10, 1980 in Ridgewood, NJ..son of Harry Bassett...has a younger brother, Bryan (19)...finance major.

    Year AVG G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB
    1999 .313 51 163 45 51 9 0 14 46 24 29 1
    2000 .340 58 212 49 72 16 0 15 72 31 33 3
    2001 .326 59 230 44 75 15 0 14 59 13 26 5
    Career .326 168 605 138 198 40 0 43 177 68 88 9

    <small>[ 06-04-2002, 05:07 PM: Message edited by: Clemson ]</small>

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    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by red-in-la:
    <strong>
    But I will say this....Mel Kiper and those who just about fell off their stools laughing up the Bengals for drafting Levi Jones are going to be eating their words by November.

    The Bengals appear to have made a HUGE steal in this kid.
    </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Can you really "steal" anybody with a top 15 pick in the draft?

    Kiper had Jones ranked 9th about 3 weeks before the draft, so Kiper knows he is a solid player. What Kiper and the other hairdoos were lamenting was that they felt the Bengals could have traded down and still picked him or another solid player later in the draft. (A notion that seemed not to hold water after talking with the Giants who might have drafted Jones.)

    They were in no way down on Jones as a player, but rather the way the Bengals drafted. They felt they could have gotten more value out of the pick, say a CB (or Jones) and a 3rd round pick maybe. (Again, this seemed less likely in after-the-draft reports.)

    That said I thought it was an decent enough pick and early returns from camp suggest he will probably be our starting left tackle this year. They seem thouroughly impressed by him so far.

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    Rating a baseball draft is a whole lot tougher IMO since most of the guys are 2-3 years away from having a chance at the MLB level much less producing there. Some pitchers muddle their way through 3-4 years in the minors and 5-6 years in the majors before the light clicks on, so who knows, you might have to wait 10 years, an arm surgery, and 3 organizations to find out how your pick turned out.

    That said, I have no problems with people stating a well thought out opinion on the draft 2 seconds after a pick is made, worst-draft-ever statements aside.

    GL


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