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    Winter ball serving its purpose (1/13)

    01/13/2006 12:31 PM ET
    Winter ball serving its purpose
    Youngsters, players coming off injury capitalize on opportunity
    By Mark Sheldon / MLB.com

    Some of the statistics might have looked pretty good for several Reds players and prospects that played winter ball this offseason in Latin America. But that wasn't really the point.

    For some, it was about playing in front of the fans in their home countries. For many others, it was a chance to face decent competition and attempt to refine their skills.

    "The benefits are not measured solely in statistics," Reds general manager Dan O'Brien said.

    Younger players like Wily Mo Pena and Edwin Encarnacion, who participated in the Dominican Republic for the Aguilas club, got more at-bats and experience. So did infielder Ray Olmedo, who played for the Venezuelan club La Guaira.

    In eight postseason games in a round-robin tournament, Pena hit .286 with one home run and five RBIs. He batted .363 with seven homers for his club during the regular Dominican season.

    For Caracas in the Venezuelan league, infielder William Bergolla hit .364 (4-for-11) in four games after batting .308 in 50 regular season games.

    "By virtue of their extended season, they'll come to camp in better position to make an impression," O'Brien said.

    Winter ball also served a purpose in the rehabilitation of Cincinnati players sidelined by injury. Jung Keun Bong missed all of 2005 with a shoulder injury and pitched this winter in the Dominican. Double-A first baseman Jesse Gutierrez also came back from an injury and slugged 15 homers and drove in 40 runs for Navajoa in the Mexican League.

    "Just the fact they could go down there was outstanding," O'Brien said. "They got the innings and exposure to help make up for what they lost in the '05 season. They will benefit in Spring Training '06."


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    Re: Winter ball serving its purpose (1/13)

    so are there any active professional leagues between the end of the Caribean Leagues season and Spring Training?
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    Re: Winter ball serving its purpose (1/13)

    Quote Originally Posted by Ravenlord
    so are there any active professional leagues between the end of the Caribean Leagues season and Spring Training?
    The Winter Leagues end with the Caribbean Series (with Teams from Puerto Rico, Mexico, Venezuela and the Dominican Republic), which this year will be held in Venezuela (Valencia and Maracay) Feb 2-7.

    Doesn't leave much time to play before ST.
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    Re: Winter ball serving its purpose (1/13)

    Quote Originally Posted by Ravenlord
    so are there any active professional leagues between the end of the Caribean Leagues season and Spring Training?
    Years back I used to try and follow the Carribean/ Latin Amercian winter ball in their native medias to work on my Spanish. My recollection is that many of the countries have national championship playoffs and then either the national championship team or a special national team comprised of all stars would go on to play in the Latin American Championship. This is what would be going on between the end of the winter leagues and Spring training.

    Just how the WBC has effected this I do not know.

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    Lots of good seasons for Reds in the winter leagues. Anyone got stats on EdE or Bong?

    Real big comeback there for Jesse Gutierrez. I'd like nothing better than to see Gutierrez surprise everyone and win the Reds 1B job. He's been the backbone on most of the Reds' better affiliate teams of this century. Now, it's highly unlikely Gutierrez will do that, but it would be the Reds feel-good story of the decade if he did.
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    Your right about Gutierrez. It sure would be great if had such a terrific spring training that he forced Dunn back to leftfield. 'Course then we're back to the four outfielders again. Trade Kearns/Pena for a good young starter? Dare we trust DanO with that?
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    Re: Winter ball serving its purpose (1/13)

    Suck it up cupcake.

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    Re: Winter ball serving its purpose (1/13)

    WMP needs to come in better shape this year, last year he looked out of shape which may have created some of his injury problems and lack of speed.

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    Re: Winter ball serving its purpose (1/13)

    Quote Originally Posted by Aronchis
    WMP needs to come in better shape this year, last year he looked out of shape which may have created some of his injury problems and lack of speed.
    I think you have Austin (Pizza Butt) Kearns confused with Wily Mo (Muscle) Pena....hard to tell them apart...LOL!!

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    Re: Winter ball serving its purpose (1/13)

    Out of shape?

    The guys all muscle... what is left to be out of shape?
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    Re: Winter ball serving its purpose (1/13)

    Quote Originally Posted by TeamBoone
    Out of shape?

    The guys all muscle... what is left to be out of shape?
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    Quote Originally Posted by KronoRed
    His hair was all crazy like

    Oscar Gamble, anyone?

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    Re: Winter ball serving its purpose (1/13)

    Here are some stats M2:


    Jung Bong:

    1-3 with a 4.22 ERA
    32 IP 37 H 19 R 15 ER 9 BB 25 K

    Nothing great, but not a blowup like Hancock's

    Edwing Encarnacion Regular Season:

    113 AB 30 H 7 2B 1 3b 4 HR 18 RBI .265 AVG .351 OBP

    EdE Playoff (in progress)

    2 for 3 with 2 walks

    Apparently Tony Batista is playing ahead of EdE in the playoffs.
    Batista has 4 HR (in 11 games), but still...
    Guess EdE will have to get used to seeing "seasoned veterans" take playing time from him.

    Just wanted to Add:

    Wily Mo has been playing...FIRST BASE! (and batting cleanup)
    He tied up last thursdays game in the bottom of the ninth with an RBI double. His team (Aguilas) won 7-6 after trailing 6-4 going into the ninth.
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    Re: Winter ball serving its purpose (1/13)

    Quote Originally Posted by oneupper

    Just wanted to Add:

    Wily Mo has been playing...FIRST BASE! (and batting cleanup)
    He tied up last thursdays game in the bottom of the ninth with an RBI double. His team (Aguilas) won 7-6 after trailing 6-4 going into the ninth.
    Why is this intriging?
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    Re: Winter ball serving its purpose (1/13)

    Quote Originally Posted by Heath
    Why is this intriging?
    I don't recall WMP spending much time at first with the REDs.

    Have I missed something?
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