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    Thanks Mr. Lindner

    Today the ownership of the Reds changed hands.

    Thanks, Mr. Lindner. I know you've been under near constant attack since you took the reins from Marge. Thanks for your stewardship.

    Thanks for recognizing that this was not your game. Thanks for getting out. That's not a slam, it's a compliment. A good man knows his limitations.

    I appreciate that you gave us respectability after years of embarrassment under Marge's ownership. I appreciate not having to cringe every time I meet someone who laughs about Shotzie taking a dump on the infield.

    I appreciate that you did the best you could, and I truly believe that you did. And I appreciate that you understand that this isn't your strength, and that you're turning it over to a new man.

    It doesn't bother me that you made money and tax breaks. That's ok. This is America, you weren't supposed to take a loss.

    I'm glad you aren't holding on and passing ownership down to your relatives. I think you believe that you've found the right man for the job.

    Thank you, Mr. Lindner. You realized that you were a steward, a transitional owner. You got rid of Marge and Bowden, and I appreciate that. You hired DanO. Now it's time for you to go, as I'm sure you know how well that's worked out.

    I wish you nothing but happiness for the rest of your life, and I hope it's a long one. You do a lot of good through your various causes, and you should be admired.

    Thanks for saving the franchise from ongoing humiliation, and thanks for realizing you are simply not a baseball man and getting out.

    In a few years, history will forget the five years of historically bad baseball and remember you for all your fine public works.

    That's really how it should be.
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    Re: Thanks Mr. Lindner

    Nicely said, '62.
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    Well said.

    Being a younger fan, I really only know Mr. Lindner from his ownership of the team. I really hope his tenure as owner of the Reds will not tarnish his overall legacy in Cincinnati, especially with younger fans like me. He's a great man that gives willingly to many causes. I think he wanted to win just as badly as the rest of us but things didn't work out and he's a smart enough man to realize it so he moved on.

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    Good post RFS.
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    Good post, good perspective.

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    Agreed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RFS62
    Thanks for recognizing that this was not your game. Thanks for getting out. That's not a slam, it's a compliment. A good man knows his limitations.
    I don't get that same vibe out of all this.

    I appreciate that you gave us respectability after years of embarrassment under Marge's ownership. I appreciate not having to cringe every time I meet someone who laughs about Shotzie taking a dump on the infield.
    I don't see alot of respect for the Reds at this point, what I see is apathy. I don't give credit to people for not having a dog poop on the field.

    I appreciate that you did the best you could, and I truly believe that you did. And I appreciate that you understand that this isn't your strength, and that you're turning it over to a new man.
    Well, I do think he did the best he could, and I think he likely did it for, in his mind, out of a love for Cincinnati the city.

    It doesn't bother me that you made money and tax breaks. That's ok. This is America, you weren't supposed to take a loss.
    I don't mind the man making a profit.

    I'm glad you aren't holding on and passing ownership down to your relatives. I think you believe that you've found the right man for the job.
    Thats not all the comforting a thought to me given his track record.

    Thank you, Mr. Lindner. You realized that you were a steward, a transitional owner. You got rid of Marge and Bowden, and I appreciate that. You hired DanO. Now it's time for you to go, as I'm sure you know how well that's worked out.
    Marge was forced out by MLB, not Lindner.

    I wish you nothing but happiness for the rest of your life, and I hope it's a long one. You do a lot of good through your various causes, and you should be admired.
    The man has a nice list of positive things he has done over the years that he deservers to be recognized for.

    Thanks for saving the franchise from ongoing humiliation, and thanks for realizing you are simply not a baseball man and getting out.
    I'll take 94,95,96,97,98,99 over 00,01,02,03,04,05.

    In a few years, history will forget the five years of historically bad baseball and remember you for all your fine public works.

    That's really how it should be.
    Agreed.

    Dude - I need to have you on retainer to write my eulogy.

    GL

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    Quote Originally Posted by gonelong
    Dude - I need to have you on retainer to write my eulogy.

    GL

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    Quote Originally Posted by RFS62
    I'm reasonably priced.
    Well, you should raise your rates!

    Nice thought on the original post ... the man probably caught more flak than he deserved over the last few years.

    GL

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    Quote Originally Posted by gonelong
    I don't give credit to people for not having a dog poop on the field.


    GL

    I give a lot of credit for that. And no covers of SI like Marge's infamous "Red Menace". And respectability from a business point of view. And no more "what do we need scouts for... all they do is watch ballgames."

    He didn't know a damn thing about baseball. He trusted Bowden over the protests of Allen on signing Junior. He made plenty of mistakes, like the Larkin extension and going for DanO over Krivsky. But he also pumped his own money into the franchise with the ticket vouchers.

    He'll be an astrisk in the big picture of Reds owners. A transitional owner. A stepping stone from rubbing dog hair on the players to what I hope will be the restoration of a proud franchise under Castellini.

    Maybe not, but I have hope. And I appreciate the man for the things he's accomplished.
    "Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover."
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    Quote Originally Posted by RFS62
    I give a lot of credit for that. And no covers of SI like Marge's infamous "Red Menace". And respectability from a business point of view. And no more "what do we need scouts for... all they do is watch ballgames."
    Marge had to go, no doubt, I am too and glad that we ended up with a guy that at least made the off the field news respectable.

    Still, no credit for not allowing your dog to poop on the playing surface.

    He didn't know a damn thing about baseball.
    Ok, you have been fired as my eulogy writer.

    He trusted Bowden over the protests of Allen on signing Junior. He made plenty of mistakes, like the Larkin extension and going for DanO over Krivsky. But he also pumped his own money into the franchise with the ticket vouchers.
    Maybe I missed something, but how are ticket vouchers pumping his own money into the franchise? Did he actually purchase the tickets out of pocket, or did he just print 'em up and hand 'em out?

    Don't get me wrong, it was a nice gesture and a good idea, IMO.

    He'll be an astrisk in the big picture of Reds owners. A transitional owner. A stepping stone from rubbing dog hair on the players to what I hope will be the restoration of a proud franchise under Castellini.
    He'll quickly be forgotten as the Reds owner, and frankly, thats about the best he could hope for at this juncture.

    I am a nervous wreck. The next decade or more of Reds baseball comes into power today and I have no idea where we are headed.

    GL
    Last edited by gonelong; 01-20-2006 at 09:01 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RFS62
    He didn't know a damn thing about baseball. He trusted Bowden over the protests of Allen on signing Junior.
    Yep. But I don't recall that he came in saying he did either. And that statement can be said about alot of owners (maybe a majority), including Steinbrenner. It's their ability to be able to hire, place, and entrust.... and in Georgie's case -fire!....those people in the organization that do know the game. And that is where Lindner was in over his head. He was a businessman (which again, alot are). It was stated in an article I read yesterday that summed up Lindner's tenure and approach to the game, and were his own words..... "I'm not here to make money. But I don't want to lose it either."

    He placed or trusted people in those FO positions to do a job, but as you already mentioned, he also, at times, intervened, thwarted them, and made them look bad (such as with the Larkin deal).

    I believe he really did care about the fans and wanted to do what was right. That is why you saw deals like Griffey, Larkin, Casey. These guys were/all fan favorites. They put butts in the seats, and why people brought their kids to the game. In that sense, his approach, or maybe a better word is "evaluation" of why people come to the games and follow a team was skewered or incomplete. What the fans want more then anything is a winner on that field.

    I see where one of Castellini's first moves was to move Allen from the baseball side to the business side of the organization. This may be his "graceful" way of giving Allen the gradual exit out. But then again, it also might be where Allen should have been all along because whether people want to acknowledge it or not, there is that business angle of the game. And Allen, IMO, is a numbers" guy and should be very good at it. His job is (or should be) to simply "count the beans" and report to the ownership group on that status/situation. What they (and the GM) then do with it is then their business.

    So we'll see.

    But as with Castellini, as it was with Lindner, it is still gonna come down to who you are placing in those FO positions, and who you are trusting to restore it. His "one up" on Lindner is that he, and the Williams', comes from a baseball "rich" family with a tradition/love and knowledge of the game. We'll see how strong their desire is to win. With Lindner, he seemed to have simply purchased the Reds so that an "outside" owner wouldn't. That is really not a solid reason to be buying a franchise IMO. Good intention, but we all know what good intentions can get you.

    I wish him well. I always felt the guy has a good heart and wanted to do what was right for the city and fans.
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    He didn't know a damn thing about baseball.
    That's gravestone stuff right there.

    The man accomplished alot... some not so kosher, some very cool... but the fact is the aforementioned.

    Neither did CBS, that's why George bought the Yankees from them for a pittance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by westofyou
    That's gravestone stuff right there.

    The man accomplished alot... some not so kosher, some very cool... but the fact is the aforementioned.

    Neither did CBS, that's why George bought the Yankees from them for a pittance.


    We can only hope we get the same results from Castellini as the Yankees have from George.

    I think Lindner's legacy is so far removed from the Reds that we're a blip on the radar. His detractors will point at the Chiquita - Enquirer controversy. His proponents will look at a lifetime of charity and philanthropy.

    The Reds.... a minor blip.

    It's more important to us than it has been to him, to be sure. And rightfully so.

    I think his motives were pure and he was encumbered by a lack of understanding of the business of baseball. Yeah, he made money on the deal, and he got some nice tax breaks. I can live with that.

    I'm sure he wishes his tenure had been more productive. I'm sure he thought he was doing the right thing when he extended Larkin. I'm sure he completely bought in to DanO's presentation and the "rebuilding of the infrastructure" philosophy. I'm sure he thought he was doing the right thing for the franchise, to build for the future.

    It was the right time for him to sell, and he did. He stepped up when he was needed, and now he's stepping down.

    His stewardship of the Reds will be a footnote in his legacy, regardless of which side of the ledger you see it on.
    Last edited by RFS62; 01-20-2006 at 12:04 AM.
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    Re: Thanks Mr. Lindner

    When Lindner took over control of the club from Marge Schott, this club was in a financial mess. Forbes magazine put out the sports ranking of all sports teams and the Reds were one of the five worst teams in regards to financial status. Lindner came in and turned things around in a business sense and got the Reds on solid financial footing especially with the opening of Great American Ballpark.
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