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    Bill Hall: Fluke or the real deal?

    Willy had a good year last year for the brew crew...but do you guys think he can repeat it again? Or, would you deal for him?
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    Fluke. There is nothing in his major or MINOR league career that suggested this was coming.
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    Re: Bill Hall: Fluke or the real deal?

    I don't have the numbers in front of me so I can't say for sure but it just seems like he constantly murders us. Of course lots of guys carrying bats have been doing that for about 5 years now.

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    Re: Bill Hall: Fluke or the real deal?

    if he can play 2nd base I'd deal for him!!!!

    He seems pretty streaky rather than solid but I'd deal for him just to keep from having to face him...seems to always be one of those guys we can't get out when it's necessary.

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    Re: Bill Hall: Fluke or the real deal?

    I don' think he'll OPS over .800 again, but if he can top .750 he's still pretty useful. He did great in A ball but then it appears the Brewers rushed him, maybe that stunted his growth as a player.
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    Re: Bill Hall: Fluke or the real deal?

    He kills us.

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    Re: Bill Hall: Fluke or the real deal?

    [QUOTE=cincinnati chili]Fluke. There is nothing in his major or MINOR league career that suggested this was coming.[/QUOTE

    I know this is an extreme case but Carlton Fisk was a better player in the Majors than he ever was in the minors. Better coaching less bus times seems to help some players do better.
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    Re: Bill Hall: Fluke or the real deal?

    Fluke, but that one good year will convince some GM year after year that he's going to do it again.
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    Re: Bill Hall: Fluke or the real deal?

    If he plays the Reds 162 times a year he'd win the MVP and be on his way to Cooperstown.

    I'd be shocked if he ever dupliates that power again. I think he has the potential to be a solid utility IF for the next 10 years. He plays pretty good D and isn't a complete hack. Has a bit of speed, but doesn't make great use of it. I'd expect a return to the .775 OPS level for the forseeable future.

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    Re: Bill Hall: Fluke or the real deal?

    Hall is expected to fill in at most infield positions this year, much like Rich Aurilia. Forgetting about the age and salary difference, would you rather have Rich or Bill?

    Personally, I think the Reds woudl be "richer" with Bill.

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    Re: Bill Hall: Fluke or the real deal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Topcat
    I know this is an extreme case but Carlton Fisk was a better player in the Majors than he ever was in the minors. Better coaching less bus times seems to help some players do better.
    I'm sure you didn't mean it, but this example is a tad misleading. Carlton Fisk was a top draft pick, then played high A ball at age 20 and destroyed the Midwest league's pitchers (1000+ OPS). It's true that he stagnated at Double-A at ages 21 and 22. But he at least was getting on base okay for a catcher (.321 and .333 OBP). Bill Hall, who also played Double AA at 21 had a .279 ON-BASE percentage.

    The Brewers being the Brewers promoted him to the majors the very next year.

    So the only major similarity I see between the two players is that they were both rushed to the majors before dominating either Triple-A or Double-A. But while Fisk was non-dominant, Hall flat-out sucked.

    Generally speaking, guys who have zero prospect pedigree (Hall was a 6th round pick) and NEVER dominated in the minors (not only did Hall not dominate, but he only had a portion of one season where he was above-average), do not overnight figure out how to hit.

    Bill Hall is a hacker, who developed a little more power last year. Pitchers will learn (some have already learned) to keep the ball off the fat part of the plate, and he'll get himself out most of the time.

    Fisk career with minors' numbers

    Bill Hall career with minors' numbers
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    Re: Bill Hall: Fluke or the real deal?

    Quote Originally Posted by cincinnati chili
    Bill Hall is a hacker, who developed a little more power last year. Pitchers will learn (some have already learned) to keep the ball off the fat part of the plate, and he'll get himself out most of the time.
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    Re: Bill Hall: Fluke or the real deal?

    look at Hall's P/PA last year. it spiked to over 4. i think he's turned a corner, but i don't he'll OPS 800 again. however i do think he'll be a consistant 270/320/440 middle infield sub with a plus glove at short and second, and a plust arm at third. can't ask for much more than that out of your reseriver infielder.
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    Re: Bill Hall: Fluke or the real deal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ravenlord
    look at Hall's P/PA last year. it spiked to over 4. i think he's turned a corner,
    I didn't look at that, and that surprises me. Good call.
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    Re: Bill Hall: Fluke or the real deal?

    Quote Originally Posted by cincinnati chili
    I didn't look at that, and that surprises me. Good call.
    of interesting note in 2005:
    Hall: 4.17 P/PA
    Dunn: 4.25 P/PA
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