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    Re: Bill Hall: Fluke or the real deal?

    More so than other "tools," patience at the plate can be learned.
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    Re: Bill Hall: Fluke or the real deal?

    Quote Originally Posted by lollipopcurve
    More so than other "tools," patience at the plate can be learned.
    sort of. it can be taught, but it's more difficult than any other tool/skill. you'll never go from being Randall Simon to even being Raul Ibanez. but you probably can go from being Simon to Aaron Boone.

    Hall himself attributes it to learning how to control his swing enough to foul off low outside pitches and high inside fastballs as opposed to laying off of them.
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    Very impressive, Ravenlord.
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    Re: Bill Hall: Fluke or the real deal?

    it can be taught, but it's more difficult than any other tool/skill.
    Not sure I follow that. What makes it more difficult than hitting for average? Or hitting for power? Or, for that matter, running fast? Or throwing well?
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    Re: Bill Hall: Fluke or the real deal?

    Quote Originally Posted by lollipopcurve
    Not sure I follow that. What makes it more difficult than hitting for average? Or hitting for power? Or, for that matter, running fast? Or throwing well?
    I THINK what he's saying is that Bill Hall hasn't necessarily become more selective, he's just developed the ability to get a piece of bad pitches that he swings at.

    So that's not necessarily plate discipline, but improved bat speed, hand-eye coordination, or guessing what's coming.

    Hall's walk rate is still subpar, but his strikeouts declined.
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    Re: Bill Hall: Fluke or the real deal?

    Hall doesn't handle RHPs very well (.319 OB last year). Probably the best you can expect from him is a Mariano Duncan type of career, with the same basic defensive deficiencies and some added pop.

    A guy like that has his uses, but I wouldn't trade a whole lot to get him.
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    Re: Bill Hall: Fluke or the real deal?

    Quote Originally Posted by cincinnati chili
    I THINK what he's saying is that Bill Hall hasn't necessarily become more selective, he's just developed the ability to get a piece of bad pitches that he swings at.

    So that's not necessarily plate discipline, but improved bat speed, hand-eye coordination, or guessing what's coming.

    Hall's walk rate is still subpar, but his strikeouts declined.
    something like that. what he used to do with those pitches was try to drive them, and the result was usually swinging through it or popping up to the catcher. he still can't lay off of them, but can recognize them soon enough to keep his hands back and foul them off, rather than still try to hit them hard.
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    Re: Bill Hall: Fluke or the real deal?

    Just bringing this back up, I heard just a second ago Hall's HR total during the game broadcast so here's the numbers.

    279 AVG/329 OBP/617 SLG, 15 HR, 15 2B, 4 3B

    The OBP isn't too terribly impressive, nor is the IsoD, but check out his Slugging &. That is VERY, VERY impressive.
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    Re: Bill Hall: Fluke or the real deal?

    Quote Originally Posted by cincinnati chili
    Fluke. There is nothing in his major or MINOR league career that suggested this was coming.
    The numbers must be miscalculated.

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    Re: Bill Hall: Fluke or the real deal?

    Quote Originally Posted by pedro
    I don' think he'll OPS over .800 again, but if he can top .750 he's still pretty useful. He did great in A ball but then it appears the Brewers rushed him, maybe that stunted his growth as a player.
    spot on again I see.

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