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    Re: Red Sox acquire Crisp

    A poster on a Cleveland board said that DanO wanted Sowers for Kearns and when he was told no way he pulled out. Ya never know!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barbarossa
    A poster on a Cleveland board said that DanO wanted Sowers for Kearns and when he was told no way he pulled out. Ya never know!
    If that's true, then DanO must be bi-polar. You want Jeremy Sowers for Austin Kearns but then you shell out $9 million a year for Eric Milton and bring back Rich Aurilia? The man should be institutionalized.
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    Pardon me for being risk-averse.

    Clement is pretty easily going to make $20 million over the next two years in salary and performance bonuses. If we're going to fork over all that money AND Austin Kearns, then I'd like to find out exactly what the hell happened to him in the second half of last year. I'm not sure it was all the "ball in the face" anymore.
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    Re: Red Sox acquire Crisp

    I'm not sure I really like Clement for Kearns. Maybe it's just me being a homer, and I overvalue Kearns.

    I really think AK can turn things around. Personally, I would rather see that then Matt Clement.

    We'll see...
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    Quote Originally Posted by StillFunkyB
    I'm not sure I really like Clement for Kearns. Maybe it's just me being a homer, and I overvalue Kearns.

    I really think AK can turn things around. Personally, I would rather see that then Matt Clement.

    We'll see...
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    Re: Red Sox acquire Crisp

    He has a bad July and a bad September, in August he was... decent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krusty
    All the hitting in the world don't mean squat if we don't have decent starting pitching.
    You're assuming that Matt Clement is decent pitching, but at that price and with those mysterious struggles last season and in years prior, I don't think he is. I'm all for getting pitching, but this is at best a lateral move and at worst a Miltonesque mistake.
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    Re: Red Sox acquire Crisp

    as this trade really hasn't happened can someone change the title?
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    Re: Red Sox rumored to acquire Crisp

    Some interesting Reds notes in here.


    Updated: Jan. 26, 2006, 4:08 PM ET
    Source: Odds of Crisp going to Boston decreasingBy Jayson Stark
    ESPN.com


    The chances of Coco Crisp landing in Boston seem to be shrinking by the hour.

    The Red Sox and Indians continued to talk to each other -- as well as to a potential third club, the Reds -- on Thursday. But there were indications that the Indians were beginning to have second thoughts about dealing Crisp.

    An official of one team that spoke with the Indians reported Thursday he got the impression the odds of Cleveland trading Crisp had sunk below 50-50.

    Nevertheless, the Indians and Red Sox were still discussing ways they could rework the six-player trade that collapsed Tuesday over concerns about the health of reliever Guillermo Mota.

    Multiple sources say Mota didn't technically "fail" his physical with the Indians. But his examination raised enough questions that the Indians have told Boston they will keep Mota only if the Red Sox upgrade the rest of the package, which originally had Mota, third-base prospect Andy Marte and catching prospect Kelly Shoppach heading for Cleveland, with Crisp, reliever David Riske and catcher Josh Bard landing in Boston.

    The Red Sox, however, prefer not to trade away one of their top young pitching prospects, Manny Delcarmen, whom Cleveland likes. So it appears Boston has turned its attention back to Cincinnati to see if it can put together a deal for left fielder Austin Kearns. The Red Sox then would turn around and deal Kearns to Cleveland for Crisp, with several other players (yet to be determined) also switching area codes.

    Cleveland also is believed to have talked directly with the Reds about Kearns. While interim GM Brad Kuhlman has told a number of teams this week that he has the authority to make a trade, other baseball people who have talked to new Reds owner Bob Castellini say Castellini is reluctant to rush into a major deal just days after taking over the club.

    The team that may come out worst in all of this, though, is the Phillies. Had the original trade gone through, they would have wound up trading outfielder Jason Michaels to Cleveland for reliever Arthur Rhodes.

    But an official of one team in touch with the Phillies said they were "not real optimistic" about coming away with Rhodes or any other reliever, because they feared their portion of the trade was "disintegrating." That's because if Cleveland holds onto Crisp or winds up dealing for an outfielder like Kearns, it no longer would need Michaels. The Phillies then would probably hang onto Michaels until spring training and shop him for a setup man in the spring.

    Jayson Stark is a senior writer for ESPN.com.

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    Re: Red Sox acquire Crisp

    Quote Originally Posted by cincinnati chili
    then I'd like to find out exactly what the hell happened to him in the second half of last year. I'm not sure it was all the "ball in the face" anymore.
    Well, I know a couple of girls who were never the same after a "ball in the face."


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    Re: Red Sox rumored to acquire Crisp

    apparently espn is reporting the Rhodes -michaels deal is complete but I still see rumors of the kearns-westbrook deal in addition to the other deals today with the tribe signing Weaver to a one year deal.

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    Re: Red Sox rumored to acquire Crisp

    I wouldn't mind an apple crisp.
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    Re: Red Sox rumored to acquire Crisp

    Here are the details on that Rhodes - Michaels deal

    http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2308605

    The Philadelphia Phillies and Cleveland Indians reached agreement Friday on a Jason Michaels-for-Arthur Rhodes trade, a deal that could trigger a bigger swap involving the Boston Red Sox.

    Rhodes was in Philadelphia taking a physical, two people familiar with the deal told The Associated Press. They spoke on condition of anonymity because the trade had not been finalized.

    If the trade is completed, the Indians could turn around and send center fielder Coco Crisp to the Red Sox to fill the gap left when free agent Johnny Damon left for the New York Yankees.

    Boston had been trying to send third base prospect Andy Marte and reliever Guillermo Mota to Cleveland.

    Trades involving the three teams had a hitch earlier this week when the Indians got an unfavorable medical report on Mota. The righty reliever spent about a month on the disabled list with Florida last season because of elbow inflammation.

    Rhodes went 3-1 with a 2.08 ERA in 47 games for the Indians last year. But the left-handed reliever missed most of the final two months for family reasons.

    Michaels hit .304 with four homers and 31 RBIs for the Phillies. He platooned in center field with Kenny Lofton.

    Michaels recently was put on six months' probation and ordered to complete 100 hours of community service following a fight with a Philadelphia police officer last year.

    Crisp was a sparkplug and fan favorite for Cleveland, hitting .300 with 16 home runs, 69 RBIs, and stealing 15 bases.

    Mota went 2-2 with a 4.70 ERA and two saves in 56 games last season with the Florida Marlins.

    There was a chance Boston catching prospect Kelly Shoppach and Cleveland reliever David Riske, as well as backup catcher Josh Bard could be involved in a larger deal.

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    Re: Red Sox rumored to acquire Crisp

    We looked to move Lugo to Boston, and actually had a deal in place. However, the dynamics changed when Cleveland got involved with Boston. Oh well. That's how it goes.
    It's absolutely pathetic that people can't have an opinion from actually watching games and supplementing that with stats. If you voice an opinion that doesn't fit into a black/white box you will get completely misrepresented and basically called a tobacco chewing traditionalist...
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    Re: Red Sox rumored to acquire Crisp

    Quote Originally Posted by Team Clark
    We looked to move Lugo to Boston, and actually had a deal in place. However, the dynamics changed when Cleveland got involved with Boston. Oh well. That's how it goes.
    ???

    The Reds don't currently have a player named named Lugo on the roster.

    And Cleveland's been dancing around with Boston for weeks now, which means it would have been DanO's lameduck regime working the deal. This sounds like pure BS to me.
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