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    Re: Sabo: (Homer) Bailey could pitch for Reds now

    David Clyde....that was the one I was thinking of...kept thinking of Mark Fydrich for some reason, but knew that wasnt the right guy. Thanks for that one Doc.


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    Re: Sabo: (Homer) Bailey could pitch for Reds now

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    Dan O'Brien should be able to.

    His dad was the Texas GM who called up Clyde.
    Well, geez, when is O'Brien going to have the time to do THAT?

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    Re: Sabo: (Homer) Bailey could pitch for Reds now

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    Re: Sabo: (Homer) Bailey could pitch for Reds now

    But Chris played the game and knows baseball better than any of you innernit chat geeks.
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    Re: Sabo: (Homer) Bailey could pitch for Reds now

    I think "homer" is the operative word here when it comes to Sabo's comment, and it has nothing to do with anyone's first name.
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    Re: Sabo: (Homer) Bailey could pitch for Reds now

    "Bailey could pitch here (Great American) right now," says former Reds star Chris Sabo, now working in the Reds' minor leagues.
    I agree with this quote completely.

    Of course, whether he can pitch at Great American once the season starts and other teams show up is another matter entirely.

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    Re: Sabo: (Homer) Bailey could pitch for Reds now

    I could pitch at GABP.

    Except for the stupid Cincinnati cops who chase me.
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    Re: Sabo: (Homer) Bailey could pitch for Reds now

    I am with you Lollipop - worried about what the state of the farm is going to look like with BCast's comments about being impatient, not being impressed with amount of money put in and the results... one can only hope that drafting and developing elite homegrown talent is not skimped on, and we don't take on a KC style of drafting... sigh.

    As for my take on Homer being ready.. as its relivant to the thread... He needs to prove something at every level of the way for me before he's called up permanently. A cup of coffe in 07 if he's ready isn't something I'm against.. but '06 he should never spend time above AA. Challenge him, don't coddle him. But don't rush him either.
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    Re: Sabo: (Homer) Bailey could pitch for Reds now

    he hasn't even proved consistancy in Low A, let alone domination.
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    Re: Sabo: (Homer) Bailey could pitch for Reds now

    Quote Originally Posted by Ravenlord
    he hasn't even proved consistancy in Low A, let alone domination.
    could that be due to tandem system?

    could that be due to his working on development of secondary pitches per reds brass?

    could that be due to knee/shoulder issues?

    these are important questions to ask. Not trying to make excuses.. it is what it is.. but i dont know if factors such as these can be completely ignored or dismissed.
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    Re: Sabo: (Homer) Bailey could pitch for Reds now

    Quote Originally Posted by cincyinco
    could that be due to tandem system?
    according to Homer, probably.

    could that be due to his working on development of secondary pitches per reds brass?
    that wouldn't neccessarily skew his numbers as bad as they were. his control disappeared, and that probably has more to do with nerves and tandemness.

    could that be due to knee/shoulder issues?
    not sure. didn't he have some soreness in his arm in August?
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    Re: Sabo: (Homer) Bailey could pitch for Reds now

    Quote Originally Posted by Ravenlord
    according to Homer, probably.
    And while I understand reasons/theories for implementing the tandem system, i'm not sold on it, and I can see validity in Homer's opinion on it.

    that wouldn't neccessarily skew his numbers as bad as they were. his control disappeared, and that probably has more to do with nerves and tandemness.
    Are you sure? if you're limited to 100 pitches, of which management tells you 1/2 of which have to be a changeup(your weakest pitch), you dont think that might skew your numbers a bit? Not saying this is exactly the case with Homer, but I was under impression he was told to throw the change, and throw it often. Am I incorrect?

    not sure. didn't he have some soreness in his arm in August?
    Not sure about the timing of the issues, partly why I asked... but I know he was coddled, and IMHO, rightly so. Question is how much of an effect did this have on performance, and I'm not sure we can ever know the answer to that.
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    Re: Sabo: (Homer) Bailey could pitch for Reds now

    Quote Originally Posted by cincyinco
    Are you sure? if you're limited to 100 pitches, of which management tells you 1/2 of which have to be a changeup(your weakest pitch), you dont think that might skew your numbers a bit?
    i've never read anywhere about telling a pitcher to throw a secondary pitcher X number of times...the usual standard is to throw it when you normally would given the situation, or in the case you're locating the fastball really well, throw it instead of the breaking ball. but then again, this was a team led by a guy with a bunch of binders...



    Question is how much of an effect did this have on performance, and I'm not sure we can ever know the answer to that.
    i would think since it would leave him fresher, it would have more a positive impact. i remember the thing he complained about specifically with the tandem was being the guy who had to come in second, and that he felt like he always got lit up doing that.
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    Re: Sabo: (Homer) Bailey could pitch for Reds now

    Quote Originally Posted by Ravenlord
    i've never read anywhere about telling a pitcher to throw a secondary pitcher X number of times...the usual standard is to throw it when you normally would given the situation, or in the case you're locating the fastball really well, throw it instead of the breaking ball. but then again, this was a team led by a guy with a bunch of binders...
    Ack, see my edit.. I was under impression he was told to throw the change up and throw it often... despite the situation... perhaps i'm wrong or misinformed..

    i would think since it would leave him fresher, it would have more a positive impact. i remember the thing he complained about specifically with the tandem was being the guy who had to come in second, and that he felt like he always got lit up doing that.
    unless he was still injured, hiding it, feeling pain.. etc. So my point being perhaps he wasn't always really "fresh" as you put it.
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    Re: Sabo: (Homer) Bailey could pitch for Reds now

    Quote Originally Posted by cincyinco
    unless he was still injured, hiding it, feeling pain.. etc. So my point being perhaps he wasn't always really "fresh" as you put it.
    probably something we'll never know unless he goes under the knife soon.
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