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    Threat assessment

    When looking at the Reds, like playing chess, you would be wise to first consider what threatens your survival.

    First short term, then long term. Threat assessment.

    When Castellini took over the reins just three scant days ago, I have to believe he's already done his assessment.

    Today, he knocked off the main threat to our short term prospects. And his second move was to bring in an expert to analyze the bane of our existance, the pitching.

    So, what does RedsZone see as the next items on the list to assess and rectify, with extreme prejudice?
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    Re: Threat assessment

    Quote Originally Posted by RFS62
    Today, he knocked off the main threat to our short term prospects. And his second move was to bring in an expert to analyze the bane of our existance, the pitching.
    What was the second move? I must have missed it in all the DanO hoopla.

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    Re: Threat assessment

    They need to fix the defense, particularly center field.

    Somehow, some way they've got to move Pena or Kearns (preferably Pena) for a kid that can cover some ground out there. They won't be preventing many runs from the mound this season, so anything they can do to help the exasperatingly bad defense will be welcomed by me.

    They also have to do something with that mess of infielders. They need to be sure to play the good ones, use the fast guy as a pinch runner, use the slow guy as a pinch hitter. If they gripe too much, show 'em the door because it won't kill them to eat those contracts. If I were Kullman, I'd be looking for a reason to bag those two DanO deadweights.
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    Re: Threat assessment

    For the long term, Castellini has to restore the Reds to a powerful regional franchise. He has to make inroads in the nether regions that overlap with the Cards, Cubs/White Sox, Tigers, Indians, Pirates and Braves. Beyond a better product on the field, better marketing, more visibility (TV/Radio) and creating the perception that the Reds really do want to win will go a long way towards insuring long range viability.

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    Re: Threat assessment

    Did I hear right that Mario Soto is back with the organization?
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    Re: Threat assessment

    Quote Originally Posted by buckeyenut
    What was the second move? I must have missed it in all the DanO hoopla.

    He hired Beattie to assess the pitching from top to bottom throughout the organization.
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    Re: Threat assessment

    Quote Originally Posted by MartyFan
    Did I hear right that Mario Soto is back with the organization?
    Yes, but he's a No. 4 or 5 starter at the most, even on this team.

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    Re: Threat assessment

    Quote Originally Posted by wheels
    They need to fix the defense, particularly center field.

    Somehow, some way they've got to move Pena or Kearns (preferably Pena) for a kid that can cover some ground out there. They won't be preventing many runs from the mound this season, so anything they can do to help the exasperatingly bad defense will be welcomed by me.

    They also have to do something with that mess of infielders. They need to be sure to play the good ones, use the fast guy as a pinch runner, use the slow guy as a pinch hitter. If they gripe too much, show 'em the door because it won't kill them to eat those contracts. If I were Kullman, I'd be looking for a reason to bag those two DanO deadweights.
    Pena is above average defensively in CF.
    This is the time. The real Reds organization is back.

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    Re: Threat assessment

    Quote Originally Posted by Cedric
    Pena is above average defensively in CF.


    Makes all the routine posts.

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    Re: Threat assessment

    Quote Originally Posted by RFS62
    So, what does RedsZone see as the next items on the list to assess and rectify, with extreme prejudice?
    In my mind, the single most important item to be addressed is the hiring of an intelligent General Manager who is comfortable speaking truth to power.

    Castellini hired Beattie to (allegedly) assess the pitching situation from top to bottom. Called him an "advisor". To me, that indicates that Castellini is comfortable having those around him who have the ability to speak truth to power. You don't hire an "advisor" if you're not comfortable with that.

    That being said, we can only hope that Castellini has the ability to figure out that Beattie hasn't shown any real aptitude during his tenure as a GM. And yes, it concerns me that Beattie is tasked with assessing the pitching situation after he's been co-GM on an Orioles team that has finished in the MLB bottom ten the last two seasons.

    Beyond the "Pitch to Contact" garbage, the "Take one Strike" directive (which has merit if implemented properly), team defense at the MLB level, and the starting rotation, Bob Castellini must figure out what he doesn't know how to fix and quickly find the person who'll be best suited to provide creative bold solutions. If that one thing does not happen, the rest are almost entirely moot.

    In short, the biggest threat to that end is Bob Castellini's ability to, through introspection, understand the limitations of his own knowledge base coupled with his ability to trust those who can provide solutions Castellini himself may not entirely understand. If the reverse happens and Castellini surrounds himself only with what is familiar while attempting to micro-manage folks who are set on telling him what they know he wants to hear?

    Well...let's just say that it takes longer to get rid of an Owner than it does a General Manager.

    After listening to Castellini, I'm entirely open to the possibility that he'll be self-aware enough to choose the right course. If he does, he'll be a truly great leader. But then, truly great leaders are rare. So folks will have to excuse me if for being only cautiously optimistic.
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    Re: Threat assessment

    M2 and I have been screaming that for awhile. Rather than laughing you might want to argue some facts. None of which you will find from his performance at the end of the 03 and 04 season.
    This is the time. The real Reds organization is back.

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    Re: Threat assessment

    Quote Originally Posted by Cedric
    M2 and I have been screaming that for awhile. Rather than laughing you might want to argue some facts. None of which you will find from his performance at the end of the 03 and 04 season.
    He does have more range than Griffey, he's a physical freak of nature no doubt, and he is more comfortable in CF than any other position....But I'd be willing to lose that, and his offensive potential in order to get a true to life flycatcher of a center fielder. I wouldn't care if the kid couldn't hit all that much right away.
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    Re: Threat assessment

    Quote Originally Posted by wheels
    He does have more range than Griffey, he's a physical freak of nature no doubt, and he is more comfortable in CF than any other position....But I'd be willing to lose that, and his offensive potential in order to get a true to life flycatcher of a center fielder. I wouldn't care if the kid couldn't hit all that much right away.
    Name one we could get with what we've got to give.

    I can't.
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    Re: Threat assessment

    Quote Originally Posted by WVRedsFan
    Name one we could get with what we've got to give.

    I can't.
    I'd put something together and try to get:
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    career minors line:
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    OPS .878

    Reasonable performance in the majors last year.
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    Re: Threat assessment

    I think its a bit misleading to call Pena above average in center field. It might be argued that he's the best of the candidates on the roster as a day to day CFer, but I've not seen anything to convince me he'll be appreciably better than he was in the minors.
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