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    reasoning behind dunn maybe not signing lt - reds pov

    i think they look at what having a big deal with griffey has done for us. i read in one of the papers that the white sox median salary was around 2m, where i believe ours was under 1m. we have a few high priced guys and a lot of low ones. its much better to have a lot in between that, imo

    what do you think


    p.s. this doesnt mean i dont want him signed, just not at a price that will hurt us

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    Re: reasoning behind dunn maybe not signing lt - reds pov

    The decision whether to sign will be Dunn's, not the other way around.
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    Re: reasoning behind dunn maybe not signing lt - reds pov

    Quote Originally Posted by Redsland
    The decision whether to sign will be Dunn's, not the other way around.
    I think if there is a deal in the works for Dunn it will be a 3 year type deal which will be easy too move if according to the teams projections, Dunn prices himself out of Cincinnati down the road.
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    Re: reasoning behind dunn maybe not signing lt - reds pov

    Quote Originally Posted by Redsland
    The decision whether to sign will be Dunn's, not the other way around.
    no, im talking about all the guys, kullman et all, saying they want to sign dunn as long as it fits into the budget and what they are looking at in the future. he specifically mentioned not paying 1 player a lot in the future today

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    Re: reasoning behind dunn maybe not signing lt - reds pov

    Sign Dunn long term, back load it and he replaces JR on the payroll in 3 years, so it's not a huge drain.
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    Re: reasoning behind dunn maybe not signing lt - reds pov

    I don't believe that the Reds can afford to let Dunn get away. I agree with KronoRed -- back load the contract, and get it done soon. If Dunn isn't the face of the franchise now, he will be very soon.

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    Re: reasoning behind dunn maybe not signing lt - reds pov

    If guys like Dunn are the face of this franchise then we're in trouble.You build your team and future on all around types like Lopez,Kearns and Griffey.I'm not looking at age or anything but those types for ability players that can do it all.Dunn is a very good support player basicly one dimensional.The problem with this team for years has been the lack of players with overall talent other than the obvious pitching failures.I would love to see Dunn or Pena go for a top of the order guy who plays everyday.GO CINCY!!!!

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    Re: reasoning behind dunn maybe not signing lt - reds pov

    Dunn is a very good support player basicly one dimensional.
    Other one dimensional players in Reds history.

    Ted Kluszewski
    Gus Bell
    George Foster
    Tony Perez

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    Re: reasoning behind dunn maybe not signing lt - reds pov

    except Kluszewski, Bell, Foster and Perez hit over .250

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    Re: reasoning behind dunn maybe not signing lt - reds pov

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt
    except Kluszewski, Bell, Foster and Perez hit over .250
    32,216 trips to the plate between the above and not one 100 walk season.

    43 seasons between them with 400 plus at bats and only 7 years of scoring 100 runs.

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    Re: reasoning behind dunn maybe not signing lt - reds pov

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt
    except Kluszewski, Bell, Foster and Perez hit over .250
    In Klu's peak seasons of 1952-55, his OBP was .383, .380, .407 and .382.
    In Bell's peak seasons of 1953-56, his OBP was .361, .349, .347 and .354.
    Perez's peak OBP seasons between 1967 and 1976 were .401, .393, .357 and .350.
    In Foster's peak seasons of 1976-79, his OBP was .364, .382, .360 and .386.
    In 2002-05, Dunn's OBP was .400, .354, .388 and .387. In other words, Dunn has a superior on base percentage in those four seasons than Perez, Bell and Foster did in their peak years, and Dunn may not yet be at his peak. Only Klu had a consistently similar OBP.
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    Re: reasoning behind dunn maybe not signing lt - reds pov

    Quote Originally Posted by westofyou
    32,216 trips to the plate between the above and not one 100 walk season.

    43 seasons between them with 400 plus at bats and only 7 years of scoring 100 runs.
    Whatta ya want, runs or a batting average? Yeah, they keep score by runs scored, but a big batting average looks so nice.
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    Re: reasoning behind dunn maybe not signing lt - reds pov

    Baron, I understand OBP and runs scored, but runs scored are up across baseball from the era's of the other guys. Of course how many runs is Adam Dunn killing by not being able to hit his body weight? I like Adam Dunn, I really do. I think he needs to be able to hit .265 though to be asking for the type of money he wants though.

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    Re: reasoning behind dunn maybe not signing lt - reds pov

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt
    I think he needs to be able to hit .265 though to be asking for the type of money he wants though.
    He creates runs, that's all that matters. It's not unprecedanted

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    EXTRA BASE HITS               YEAR     EBH      AVG     RC/G      OBA      BB       AGE    
    T1   Adam Dunn                2004       80     .266     2.92     .388      108       24   
    T1   Jim Thome                2003       80     .266     3.00     .385      111       32   
    T3   Frank Thomas             2003       77     .267     3.05     .390      100       35   
    T3   Adam Dunn                2005       77     .247     2.66     .387      114       25   
    5    Mike Schmidt             1979       74     .253     2.96     .386      120       29   
    6    Jim Thome                2000       71     .269     2.46     .398      118       29   
    T7   Harmon Killebrew         1967       69     .269     4.31     .408      131       31   
    T7   Greg Luzinski            1978       69     .265     2.80     .388      100       27   
    T9   Jason Giambi             2003       66     .250     3.10     .412      129       32   
    T9   Fred McGriff             1989       66     .269     3.22     .399      119       25   
    11   Ralph Kiner              1948       64     .265     2.71     .391      112       25   
    12   Darren Daulton           1993       63     .257     2.55     .392      117       31   
    T13  Mike Schmidt             1983       60     .255     2.92     .399      128       33   
    T13  Eddie Mathews            1962       60     .265     2.06     .381      101       30   
    T13  Dolph Camilli            1938       60     .251     2.74     .393      119       31   
    T13  Gil Hodges               1952       60     .254     2.54     .386      107       28

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    Re: reasoning behind dunn maybe not signing lt - reds pov

    Westofyou, I agree that he has a great OBP and creates a lot of runs. My standing is not that he isnt a good player or cant produce runs, I just cant see signing him to a LTC(5 years or more) when he has not shown the ability to have a batting average near .260. It is simply my opinion that paying a guy 9-10 million a year doesnt work if he doesnt hit .260+. Especially with the market that the Reds are dealing with in the 65 million dollar market.


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