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    Re: We turned down Matt Clement for Kearns

    I think you have to make this trade right now if your the Reds. If Kearns goes out and has another real rough year I think he would lose the high value that he has somehow managed to keep ahold of. At the sametime he could explode in Boston, but thats the risk in trading him. I just think Clement would be worth that risk and I really dont think it would be that hard to get the Red Sox to pick up some of that money.

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    Re: We turned down Matt Clement for Kearns

    Clement is an injury concern, but Kearns isn't???
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    Re: We turned down Matt Clement for Kearns

    I look at it this way - if both Kearns and Clement have career years which one would help the Reds more.

    The answer to that question is obviously Clement, so yeah, I'd probably do this if the peripherals can be worked out (money, physicals, etc.)
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    Re: We turned down Matt Clement for Kearns

    I don't trust Matt Clement at all. I feel like he's spent a few years fleecing the nation, that his good days far outweigh his bad, and that the full extent of the injuries from his beaning last year aren't yet known and he's only going to get worse. Kearns can only improve. (I'm also slightly biased because I seriously believe that Clement has the worst facial hair in all of baseball. This is a terrible thing to say, but it hurts my eyes to look at him. It's so distracting. Maybe that's why I think he's so bad; I can't watch him pitch.)

    Boston seems pretty eager to get rid of him. A lot of that I think has to do with his disastrous postseason outing, and some I think due to the fact that with the problems of Schilling, Wells et al., Clement was expected to be the savior of the pitching staff and he just couldn't live up to expectations. Still...I don't trust him. I don't think that GABP would be good to him.

    A month ago I would have said to do it if we could throw in Milton, but now, crazy as it sounds and I know it does, I'm not even sure I'd do that. Milton's 2005 DIPS indicates that he could have a significant improvement in 2006. Matt Clement is only going to get worse.
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    Re: We turned down Matt Clement for Kearns

    I think the Reds would have been better off trading Kearns for Marquis, but I think this would also be a good trade for the Reds.

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    Re: We turned down Matt Clement for Kearns

    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny Footstool
    Clement is an injury concern, but Kearns isn't???
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    Re: We turned down Matt Clement for Kearns

    He got hit on July 26th, so his disasterous month of July was pre-beaning. He did have a good post-beaning August, followed by a bad September.

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    SPLIT  ERA  W L S SvO  G GS    IP   H  R ER HR BB SO BAA 
    Home   4.90 8 4 0   0 17 17 101.0 103 59 55  6 34 79 .263 
    Away   4.20 5 2 0   0 15 15  90.0  89 43 42 12 34 67 .256 
    April  3.90 2 0 0   0  5  5  30.0  38 14 13  1 12 24 .309 
    May    2.43 4 0 0   0  6  6  40.2  29 12 11  1 14 30 .199 
    June   3.94 3 1 0   0  5  5  32.0  29 14 14  4  6 28 .242 
    July   8.88 1 2 0   0  5  5  25.1  32 25 25  7 10 26 .299 
    Aug.   3.60 2 0 0   0  5  5  30.0  26 13 12  1 10 21 .239 
    Sept   6.00 1 3 0   0  6  6  33.0  38 24 22  4 16 17 .286
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    Re: We turned down Matt Clement for Kearns

    I would take Clement for Kearns for sure. As much as Clement is in doubt I would say Austin is in the same boat. Would we then have Rich for 1B and keep Dunn in the OF ? How about going after Piazza for 1B ?

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    Re: We turned down Matt Clement for Kearns

    Quote Originally Posted by redsfan30
    Can anyone post Clement's stats both before and after he got hit by that liner?
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    Split	ERA	IP	K/BB	BB/9	K/9	H/9	HR/9	WHIP	GB/FB
    Pre	4.43	128	2.70	2.81	7.59	9.00	0.91	1.31	1.32	
    Post	4.86	63	1.46	3.71	5.42	9.14	0.71	1.43	1.08
    pre-injury, he has an ERA about 3/4 of a run higher than it probably should have been with thos peripherals.

    post-injury, he had an ERA about 1/2 of a run lower than it probably should have been.
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    Re: We turned down Matt Clement for Kearns

    Quote Originally Posted by NCRed
    I would take Clement for Kearns for sure. As much as Clement is in doubt I would say Austin is in the same boat. Would we then have Rich for 1B and keep Dunn in the OF ? How about going after Piazza for 1B ?
    If your goal is to make the infield defense worse (and I didn't think it would be possible) this is your answer. Piazza is not a 1B, that's why not many NL teams have interest in him. He can really only DH from here on out.
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    Re: We turned down Matt Clement for Kearns

    I still support trading Kearns for Clement, but if it would mean moving Dunn back to LF, Dunn, Jr, and Pena is a really scary defensive OF.

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    Re: We turned down Matt Clement for Kearns

    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny Footstool
    Clement is an injury concern, but Kearns isn't???
    And Kearns could just as easily blow this deal by not passing his physical.

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    Re: We turned down Matt Clement for Kearns

    Quote Originally Posted by kbrake
    I still support trading Kearns for Clement, but if it would mean moving Dunn back to LF, Dunn, Jr, and Pena is a really scary defensive OF.
    I think we have to move Griffey at the deadline this year and have a replacement in place by next season.
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    Re: We turned down Matt Clement for Kearns

    Jr would have to approve any deal, and this close to the end I kind of wonder if he would.
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    Re: We turned down Matt Clement for Kearns

    Quote Originally Posted by KronoRed
    Jr would have to approve any deal, and this close to the end I kind of wonder if he would.
    Yeah, I think that's going to be more difficult than actually finding a trading partner and a suitable return for him.
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